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My friend and I disagree on how charging after models in the unit fire rapid fire weapons. This would extend to Heavy, Salvo, and Ordinance.

I say since the unit has fired those shots, the unit may not charge. (BRB pg. 20)

He says if a model in the unit can charge (say an attached IC with a plasma pistol), then it makes the charge rolls and the ones who did fire the rapid fire weapons don't get attacks the first round. basically they choose to shoot, instead of deal attacks that first round. (Pg. 51-52 is the closest I can find to his argument, where it specifies by model cant assault)

Who is correct?

you cannot make the charge if a model in the unit shot a gun with anything other than a pistol or assault weapon (providing they dont have relentless of course)

Yeah, that's an odd interpretation he has there. The rules quite explicitly forbid you from assaulting if you fire rapid fire weapons.

Your mate sounds win at all costs. Maybe he just wanted to be safe from shooting on your turn so argued a tenuous point to get his way.

Did you let him charge?

I don't have the page handy, but somewhere in the assault move rules is a note that in units of differing speed, the unit assaults at the speed of the slowest model. This is of course nothing at all if you've fired Rapid Fire etc without Relentless or SnP.

Page 20, Declare charge section, 4th bullet point.

If even one model is not allowed to charge, then the whole unit can not make the assault. They signify this by the use of the world 'unit' as opposed to the word 'model' to indicate it is a restriction that every model in the squad counts towards. This means a single model firing a rapid fire weapon prevents the entire unit from charging into battle.

If he still wants to try and rule lawyer to the point of such a ridiculous argument ask a simple question: Where in the book does it state that the charging model loses it's attack if it fired a rapid firing weapon?

This is not addressed, because it simply does not exist as a possible situation you will find yourself in.

Thanks everyone

I doubt your friend was trying to cheat you. One of the changes that occurred this edition is the movement-by-model rules, which do alter restrictions on a per-model basis. Although it IS incorrect, I can see how this might lead someone down the road to 'who can assault is also on a per-model basis.' I think that might be where he went astray. I wouldn't take it personally. Honest mistakes happen, especially in this game, where the rulebook is heavy enough to use as a murder weapon.

 Jimsolo wrote:
I doubt your friend was trying to cheat you. One of the changes that occurred this edition is the movement-by-model rules, which do alter restrictions on a per-model basis. Although it IS incorrect, I can see how this might lead someone down the road to 'who can assault is also on a per-model basis.' I think that might be where he went astray. I wouldn't take it personally. Honest mistakes happen, especially in this game, where the rulebook is heavy enough to use as a murder weapon.

Thank you very much, now i have to find another blunt heavy object for the job.