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The BT Codex is now the oldest codex with the Eldar one being revamped. And as far as I know barely anybody plays BT anymore. So I thought I'd gauge what people think GW will do with them; do a new book and risk it, discontinue the line altogether, or integrate them into the next SM codex release?

With the new supplemental Codex for Eldar, I would guess if it is successful the same will be done for BT and perhaps the other SM chapters like Sallys.

Is the iyanden book a codex? I thought it was just a supplement fluff book

BACK TO SUPPLIMENTAL CODEXES YE WHERE THEE BELONGS!


I also want Blood Angels to go back to supplimentals.

I think niether will occur, but seriously feth the BT codex.

I don't like it, but I bet they will be integrated in the new SM book.

GW won't put it back into the SM Dex. They could make too much money from people jumping on the band-wagon. Hell, at this rate, we'll probably get a walker/MC that'll be 18" tall. Because they can. Regardless of whether or not it should (Which I do not for a moment believe it should) be incorporated into the SM book, it's too much of a money-making scheme for them.

I think they will release a new BT codex. There are a lot of diehard Black Templar fans out there. Helsreach is one of the more popular novels, and they have a great model and character in Grimaldus.

Also, they would kind of ruin the story behind the Black Templars if they just rolled them back in to the main codex. Sgts leading squads of 10? librarians?

 The Crusader wrote:
GW won't put it back into the SM Dex. They could make too much money from people jumping on the band-wagon. Hell, at this rate, we'll probably get a walker/MC that'll be 18" tall. Because they can.

This. And the walker will be called Tankred.

 Jidmah wrote:

 The Crusader wrote:
GW won't put it back into the SM Dex. They could make too much money from people jumping on the band-wagon. Hell, at this rate, we'll probably get a walker/MC that'll be 18" tall. Because they can.

This. And the walker will be called Tankred.

Yes. Yes yes yes. Make it happen!

I don't see them canceling the Black Templars, but I'm at the point where I would be fine with them being rolled into the C:SM. At least they'll get updated more frequently.

I voted for all three options. Why? Because we simply don't know. Lots of people still play Black Templars, they have far more potential than BA or DA for a unique codex, because they are not a Codex chapter. BT are more unique, and DA and BA were pretty much just generic marines in red and green before they were done up.

I hope they have there own codex or at least a supplement. as it brings all new rules to the game to keep you on your toes.

If it is a supplement, I hope it isn't iPad only.

Eternal Crusade is unstoppable.


BT are maybe far beyond the horizon right now.
GW could deal with most of the xenos , after this almost all-imperial run they did before. I'd expect Orks, nids, maybe even SM and others from 5th ed updated. Orks and nids make for a easy "add big kits" release.

The need their patience...err...focus their zeal into an overwhelming return.

And we are not part of a codex hell bent on this codex , we are going to keep the truth in our hearts and prevail in his name!
For the Emperor! For Dorn!

"No one" plays Black Templars anymore because it is a difficult book, not because the book is outdated and underpowered. There are lots of options and no real apparent "deathstars" or obvious spam builds. How many other codexes allow POTMS on Predators and Vindicators? or allow Space Marine squads to number in thebteens with Land Raiders? Black Templars have a lot going on and for them. They are not getting mainstreamed.

We all heard the same things for Dark Angels (outdated codex, gonna get rolled into Space Marines, blah blah).

There is no reason to make no new BT codex.

I would like to see a BIG book when the new Codex, Space Marines book is released. I'm talking as big as the rules book! Have the first part the history of the Marines, then a large section dedicated to the Ultra Marines and vanilla marines in general. After that a chapter, 10-15 pages each, of fluff and special rules for say the ten most notable Marine Chapters that are well known but would never have or need their own stand-alone book. Black Templars, White Scars, Imperial Fists, Salamanders, Exorcists, Death Company and so on.

Probably won't happen, but would be neet if it did.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
I would like to see a BIG book when the new Codex, Space Marines book is released. I'm talking as big as the rules book! Have the first part the history of the Marines, then a large section dedicated to the Ultra Marines and vanilla marines in general. After that a chapter, 10-15 pages each, of fluff and special rules for say the ten most notable Marine Chapters that are well known but would never have or need their own stand-alone book. Black Templars, White Scars, Imperial Fists, Salamanders, Exorcists, Death Company and so on.

Probably won't happen, but would be neet if it did.

Llthough nice, and probably a lot of people would like this. But take a look at the only book similar to what you are suggesting. Horus Heresy book 1, £70 most places. Any one who has ultramarines is not going to want to spend more than twice on a codex because they have to have the other chapters listed.

I can however see there being a £30 Space marine codex that deals with the Ultramarines and vanilla marines, and then a few £20 supplements like they did with DFTS, and Realm of fire.

I cant see them being an IOS only purchase, As this limits their customer base. Although i bet they would love to be able to stop spending money on printing books and distribution and only upload a Ibook, and yet still charge the same

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
"No one" plays Black Templars anymore because it is a difficult book, not because the book is outdated and underpowered. There are lots of options and no real apparent "deathstars" or obvious spam builds. How many other codexes allow POTMS on Predators and Vindicators? or allow Space Marine squads to number in thebteens with Land Raiders? Black Templars have a lot going on and for them. They are not getting mainstreamed.

We all heard the same things for Dark Angels (outdated codex, gonna get rolled into Space Marines, blah blah).

You mean the stuff alotta 4th edition dex's had before the "Alessio" updates, it's outdated practices not because its difficult.

 AustonT wrote:
BACK TO SUPPLIMENTAL CODEXES YE WHERE THEE BELONGS!


I also want Blood Angels to go back to supplimentals.

I think niether will occur, but seriously feth the BT codex.

Where is this coming from? Were you touched by a member of the clergy as a child?

Its doubtful they will get rolled in, but with this most recent release of Eldar and Iyanden, if it contains army material, Templars could very well follow suit.

The old black Templar codex is so small and light on units that it might as well be a supplemental anyway.

I say anything is better than nothing. Right now we have an ancient codex with half the options of more modern codices. Seriously look at the troops section, it"s about six pages long.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
"No one" plays Black Templars anymore because it is a difficult book, not because the book is outdated and underpowered. There are lots of options and no real apparent "deathstars" or obvious spam builds. How many other codexes allow POTMS on Predators and Vindicators? or allow Space Marine squads to number in thebteens with Land Raiders? Black Templars have a lot going on and for them. They are not getting mainstreamed.

We all heard the same things for Dark Angels (outdated codex, gonna get rolled into Space Marines, blah blah).

You mean the stuff alotta 4th edition dex's had before the "Alessio" updates, it's outdated practices not because its difficult.

I guess... The outdated rules issues have been dealt with in the FAQs. Outside of that, Black Templars are just hard because of the smorgasbord of options everything may take. "Need to shave a couple points off? throw those frag grenades away!" Otherwise, its a pretty solid codex. Tank Hunters on Dreadnoughts? ok. Blessed Hulls to frustrate lances? ok. huge Marine/scout tarpits? sure, why not.

"no one" plays Templars because its not a new, shiny, "flavor of the month" book.

I really want to start Black Templars as my second army, So I really hope they roll out a new BT codex. So I voted because I think they will and also because I am hoping they will.

However, I think they could still be competitive, and if I had the time and the money I would have started them alongside my Orks.

I have played with them on vassal quite a bit however, and was having some luck only loosing to chaos daemons and their flying DP spam.

I hope they just drop the BTs/ They don't need a codex.

They're just the same thing as other marines but they get scouts in their tac squads and run forwards when they get shot.

Nothing special. The Emperors Champion can be from any chapter. Sword Bretheren are just more marines.

Bts having Librarians is no different than Dark Eldar being able to ally with Slaanesh. It's silly... but that's just GW.

Yeah.

Just like everyone was arguing / predicting / assuming Dark Angels would get cut.

Templars will come. Give it time.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Yeah.

Just like everyone was arguing / predicting / assuming Dark Angels would get cut.

Templars will come. Give it time.

We were promised Squats...

Still haven't seen their return.

 DeffDred wrote:


We were promised Squats...

Who promised Squats?

I'm hoping they just roll it into the SM codex. That's what they should have done with DA's and BA's at the very least, and SW's as well. You can fit everything about the Templars, rules-wise, in 2-3 pages as an addendum to a C:SM list (same with the other Loyalist chapters too really...), they don't need their own book. If they must be their own separate army, well, that's what Forgeworld really should be for.

 Vaktathi wrote:
I'm hoping they just roll it into the SM codex. That's what they should have done with DA's and BA's at the very least, and SW's as well. You can fit everything about the Templars, rules-wise, in 2-3 pages as an addendum to a C:SM list (same with the other Loyalist chapters too really...), they don't need their own book. If they must be their own separate army, well, that's what Forgeworld really should be for.

Yeah there is some sense to this...however, being that DA and BA and SW have their own books, I think BT should be represented as well. If for 7th edition they decide to roll them all together in to one book and discuss the various rules there, that would make sense.

Until that point, I think Black Templars deserve their book. They are so much more different than standard marines.

I think there are people that have voted to see black templars get rolled in to the SM codex because they think all the SM chapters should be listed in one codex. I can also see Black Templars getting updated as one more codex in your way to your armies update.

 Icculus wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
I'm hoping they just roll it into the SM codex. That's what they should have done with DA's and BA's at the very least, and SW's as well. You can fit everything about the Templars, rules-wise, in 2-3 pages as an addendum to a C:SM list (same with the other Loyalist chapters too really...), they don't need their own book. If they must be their own separate army, well, that's what Forgeworld really should be for.

Yeah there is some sense to this...however, being that DA and BA and SW have their own books, I think BT should be represented as well. If for 7th edition they decide to roll them all together in to one book and discuss the various rules there, that would make sense.

Until that point, I think Black Templars deserve their book. They are so much more different than standard marines.

I think there are people that have voted to see black templars get rolled in to the SM codex because they think all the SM chapters should be listed in one codex. I can also see Black Templars getting updated as one more codex in your way to your armies update.

I just don't feel they shouldv'e gained one to begin with, they aren't even a founding chapter!