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Ok so im building up the CSM atm its as follows, recommendations (pref with no further purchases but open to any input). Many people dont like murder sword but its killed phoenix lords on a surprising amount of times!

Main Detachment – Chaos Space Marines - 1851

HQ

Chaos Lord 65 130
Mark Of Khorne 10
Gift Of Mutation 10
Aura Of Dark Glory 15
Power Weapon 15
Plasma Pistol 15

Chaos Lord 65 150
Terminator Armour 40
Mark Of Khorne 10
Murder Sword 35

Elites

6 Chosen 108 215
Power Fist 25
Power Weapon 15
Pair Of Lightning Claws 30
Marks Of Khorne 12
Champion –Power Weapon 15
-Gift Of Mutation 10

5 Chaos Terminators 157 235
5 Power Fists 35
Reaper Autocannon 25
Mark Of Khorne 15

Hellbrute 105 105

Troops

10 Thousand Sons 265 280
Icon Of Flame 15


10 Chaos Space Marines 140 210
2 Flamers 10
Champion- Power weapon 15
Marks Of Khorne 10
Chaos Rhino 35

10 Chaos Space Marines 140 160
Flamer 5
Rocket Launcher 15

10 Cultists 50 64
Autoguns 9
Heavy Stubber 5


10 Cultists 50 55
Flamer 5

Heavy Support

Defiler 195 247
Combi-Melta 10
Extra Armour 10
Dirge Caster 5
Warpflame Gargoyles 5
Havoc Launcher 12



Note: I have a sorcerer too, its just not in there. This list has worked well against Marines and Tau and *usually* eldar......

It's different that's for sure.
I think there's a few places you could squeeze out some points. Lose gift of mutation, drop the chosen, and you need a Tz marked lord to make thousand sons troops

There is nothing competitive about this list. You pretty much have all the worst units in the CSM codex crammed together.
I almost started to critique, but then I realized that every unit in this list has completely horrible loadouts, and I'm not sure what they're trying to do.

herpguy wrote:
There is nothing competitive about this list. You pretty much have all the worst units in the CSM codex crammed together.
I almost started to critique, but then I realized that every unit in this list has completely horrible loadouts, and I'm not sure what they're trying to do.

He's asking for advice using the models he has in this list.
Doesn't want to purchase more. There are plenty of topics for serious lists this is simply someone looking for input to make their list the best they can.

 Nashie wrote:

herpguy wrote:
There is nothing competitive about this list. You pretty much have all the worst units in the CSM codex crammed together.
I almost started to critique, but then I realized that every unit in this list has completely horrible loadouts, and I'm not sure what they're trying to do.

He's asking for advice using the models he has in this list.
Doesn't want to purchase more. There are plenty of topics for serious lists this is simply someone looking for input to make their list the best they can.

I didn't realize this was all he had.
If you want to play at 1850, you really should be allying in one of your other armies.

Like chaos daemons

Lord with MoT does not unlock Thousand Sons as troops.

He has 2 Lords. Why not turn one into a Sorc with MoT to unlock TS as troops? You can also stick the Sorc with them.

Defiler does not need extra armor as it already has daemonic possession which ignores crew shaken and stunned. I am not sure how you it can take a combi melta. Drop the hml and warp flame gargoyle. Trade the Reaper AC for a pow fist. The HF can not be traded for a pow fist so just keep it and the Dirge Caster and use it as you assault. You want the defiler to move 12" then shoot battle cannon every turn until it gets close enough to charge or use it as a counter charge unit.

The chosen he is using looks too similar to the ones included in Dark Vengeance. Use them as CSM Champions instead.

Drop the Reaper AC from the Termi and replace it with a HF as you are trying to assault with it to deliver a Murder Sword. I would only take 2 fists and the rest pow swords.

IMHO I would drop the Lord and just take a Sorc with Termi armor since it is cheaper, and give the Termi MoT.

oops my bad, meant a Tz marked sorceror.
defilers have access to the vehicle armoury so the can take a combi melt

otherwise Filch has the right idea, great suggestions

Ok thanks for pointing out the thousand sons issue, I will swap one of the lords for the sorceror

Filch your ideas on defiler are great thanks for those

Demons are a good idea as for allied ones what would you suggest?? With the chosen dripped and some other points it leaves about 400 points for demons.

Despite what people say about thousand sons I am a fan of them

and yes herpguy I appreciate its not that competetive but with GW prices as they are I am avoiding buy too much else :(

 Suicidal Grot wrote:
Ok so im building up the CSM atm its as follows, recommendations (pref with no further purchases but open to any input). Many people dont like murder sword but its killed phoenix lords on a surprising amount of times!

Ok, I see a lot of stuff bought out of the DV box. Great work putting that to good use. I'm also really cheap, so none of my suggestions are for big purchases. Get some magnets too, it will save on models down the road when it's time for an edition/equipment change. For this army, I would run the whole thing forward at once. Stop the CC cultists and the missile marines mid-field and press on with the rest. It should work ok with practice.

Looking at your list again, I would get one sorcerer and huron. Find one of your models that looks close enough to Huron to stand in for him. You have enough infantry on foot that infiltrate will be really important. The HQ models you're using can be choosen, terminator champs, whatever. This will be a better investment of the models you have on hand.

Main Detachment – Chaos Space Marines - 1851

HQ

Chaos Lord 65/ 130
Mark Of Khorne 10
Gift Of Mutation 10
Aura Of Dark Glory 15
Power Weapon 15
Plasma Pistol 15Get rid of this. An arm swap or a bolt pistol bit will go a long way

Chaos Lord 65/ 150
Terminator Armour 40
Mark Of Khorne 10
Murder Sword 35It's your call, but I would call this thing a power weapon and save 20 points.

Elites
I get the feeling you bought the box set here. These guys have a great matchup, but it makes them super expensive. There should also be a combi-melta on one of them if you're WYSIWYG. Give them the rhino, they need it more here. Another suggestion, is to mix these guys up in other squads. Dual claw dude makes a great champion/lord. Powerfist guy can lead the normal marines. You can then move some normal troops in to fix the points cost of the unit. Just a thought.
6 Chosen 108/ 215
Power Fist 25
Power Weapon 15
Pair Of Lightning Claws 30
Marks Of Khorne 12
Champion –Power Weapon 15
-Gift Of Mutation 10

You converted the DV terminators right? Good on you, but I would find a way to get rid of several power fists. You only need like 2, tops. Otherwise ok. Most people will complain about walking terminators, I think they do fine.
5 Chaos Terminators 157/ 235
5 Power Fists 35
Reaper Autocannon 25
Mark Of Khorne 15

I like these guys.
Hellbrute 105 105

Troops

Are these the DV marines? Just curious. Drop the icon, it's a waste. These guys might need the rhino more than the choosen now that I think about it.
10 Thousand Sons 265 280
Icon Of Flame 15

These guys need the rhino, but not nearly as much as others. Give them the khorne icon if possible. I did free up some other points.
10 Chaos Space Marines 140 210
2 Flamers 10
Champion- Power weapon 15
Marks Of Khorne 10
Chaos Rhino 35

Nothing really wrong here, the flamer is a bit wasted. I would move powerfist guy here.
10 Chaos Space Marines 140 160
Flamer 5
Rocket Launcher 15


10 Cultists 50 64
Autoguns 9
Heavy Stubber 5


10 Cultists 50 55
Flamer 5

Heavy Support
I love these things. Drop the combi-melta, the launcher, and the gargoyles. Firing the big gun spazs all your other weapons, and this thing should be front lines. The dirge caster is awesome, try to get one for the rhino if possible.
Defiler 195 247
Combi-Melta 10
Extra Armour 10
Dirge Caster 5
Warpflame Gargoyles 5
Havoc Launcher 12

Note: I have a sorcerer too, its just not in there. This list has worked well against Marines and Tau and *usually* eldar......