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I charge a unit, there is no way to pile in without engaging another unit.
Do both units get to overwatch my charging unit?

A IC is with a squad. The squad gets shot and takes casualties. The IC is no longer in coherency, can he be shot as a seprerate unit now (aka is it considered that he left the squad)?

1. Units only get to fire Ovetwatch if they are charged (or have a special rule such as Tau).

2. The IC is still part of the unit until they are all killed or the IC voluntarily leaves in the Movement phase.

If you declare a charge against a single unit, only that unit gets to fire overwatch. (Exception for Tau)

In addition to that, if you declared a charge against a single unit, you may not charge a second unit.

If you must announce a disorganized Charge, due to some rather odd model placements, then yes, both units get Overwatch (assuming they have not already used Overwatch this turn)

You cannot somehow accidentally Charge a 2nd unit when you did not declare a disorganized charge. The rules for assault moves prohibit it.


Read the IC rules in the BRB for exactly how/when an IC can leave unit.
Hint: it's not in the opponent's shooting phase

To clarify, there were 2 units mingled with eachother. If I charge one unit, by rules of piling in I would have to get as many models as possible into base contact. This would invariably make me touch the other models.

Therefore I have to declare a disordereded charge? Or can I charge just 1 unit, and simply avoid going within 1 of models in the other unit (this would mean I couldnt pile in properly, possible only getting the initial charger into base contact)?

roma wrote:
To clarify, there were 2 units mingled with eachother. If I charge one unit, by rules of piling in I would have to get as many models as possible into base contact. This would invariably make me touch the other models.

Therefore I have to declare a disordereded charge? Or can I charge just 1 unit, and simply avoid going within 1 of models in the other unit (this would mean I couldnt pile in properly, possible only getting the initial charger into base contact)?

You would have a choice.

A) Regular charge, but fewer models get in B2B. I would image about the same amount would participate in CC. The 2" rule allows for quite a few to get into CC even without B2B

B) Declare a disorganized charge and get more models into B2B.

You can always "pile in properly", just follow the Assault movement rules.

thanks

roma wrote:
I charge a unit, there is no way to pile in without engaging another unit.
Do both units get to overwatch my charging unit?

A IC is with a squad. The squad gets shot and takes casualties. The IC is no longer in coherency, can he be shot as a seprerate unit now (aka is it considered that he left the squad)?

First, if you charged one unit you may only pile in to that one unit following the rules for fighting in assaults, even if only one model from your unit piles in to BTB with one of theirs but is with in but not touching the unengaged second unit then thats fine. The rest of your unit will have to pile in following the steps after the pile in move for BTB. If you cannot pile in at all and your opponent can't reach you with their pile in then the combat is finished.

In the case of an IC attached to a unit, it remains apart of that unit for better or worse unless the IC leaves it in the movement phase. In all other phases it is apart of that unit it joined. If its out of cohenency from your shooting and you declare a charge against the unit its with, the IC is a valid model to charge as it is still apart of that unit just as much as any other model in the unit.


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roma wrote:
To clarify, there were 2 units mingled with eachother. If I charge one unit, by rules of piling in I would have to get as many models as possible into base contact. This would invariably make me touch the other models.

Therefore I have to declare a disordereded charge? Or can I charge just 1 unit, and simply avoid going within 1 of models in the other unit (this would mean I couldnt pile in properly, possible only getting the initial charger into base contact)?

You can move within 1" of the other unit, just not BTB or over any models base.

Bausk - please be clear when talking about pile in; pile in is what you do at each I step and at the end of combat, if combat contiues. The initial move into combat is an assault move. They have different criteria

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Bausk - please be clear when talking about pile in; pile in is what you do at each I step and at the end of combat, if combat contiues. The initial move into combat is an assault move. They have different criteria

The OPs original post mentioned pile in. I was being purposly vague on the pile in rules as this forum is not a substitute for owning the book, the steps for using a pile in move are rather straight forward I didnt feel the need to elaborate on them here.

I was just trying to draw the distinction between the two, as the OP didnt seem aware.