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Storm Trooper with Maglight





United Kingdom

I had a look at Tony Kopech's NOVA list and though it was pretty awesome and figured I'd try my hand at writing something similar. Please give feedback!

Rune Priest
x3 10 Grey Hunters with Wolf Standard and 2 meltaguns
x2 6 Long Fangs with 5 Missile Launchers

Primaris Psyker
PCS
x4 Infantry squad with Power Axe

Aegis Defence Line

   
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Texas

Power axe on IG sergeants? I don't get that at all.

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UK

rosinator wrote:
Power axe on IG sergeants? I don't get that at all.


^ I was thinking the exact same thing..

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Rosinator why don't you get the power axe? What I don't get is the lack of commissars with power axes too. Presumably this is a combat blob?

It is an ok list. A Helldrake ruins your day, as does any flyer heavy list. Guard, DE and Tau just sit back and out shoot you. Landraider rush gets to you.

Basically what you beat is elite and horde slow moving assault armies. Pretty much any gunline out shoots you and you have no way to get at them. You've a decent number of bodies and that's about it.

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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker



West Midlands UK

This is a carbon copy of so many Guard/Swolf armies i have seen recently, with one important omission, the wolfs are not in pods, what do you hope to achieve footslogging accross the board? You will get mowed down on the way over.

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Boom! Leman Russ Commander





Ohio

rosinator wrote:
Power axe on IG sergeants? I don't get that at all.


Its a power blob. 40 dudes with lasguns and a rune priest who casts prescience, give an order of FRFSRF and if you some how have all dudes in rapid fire range or relatively most of them thats about 120 twinlinked lasgun shots(obviously if you play someone smart this number should be smaller as the blob should be widdled down a bit) Then if you assault that many shots still comes at you twinlinked because of prescience. Then you get into combat and you have all those guardsmen rerolling to hit with the rune priest rerolling to hit and then you have 12 ap2 s 4 attacks from the 4 axes(not including the rune priest) But if you have a smart opponent he will just challenge the sergeants and keep the blob bogged down.

On a side note at 1500pts those grey hunters slodging up the board probably wont do you any good. It was a nice try to copy the list but I dont believe it works this low of points.

 
   
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Tankboy I think you're right :/ it's a shame, I really want to add in some imperial guard allies and I don't really know of any other way in which to use them with wolves other than powerblob and mechvets... Ah well.
   
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Massachusetts

trephines wrote:
Tankboy I think you're right :/ it's a shame, I really want to add in some imperial guard allies and I don't really know of any other way in which to use them with wolves other than powerblob and mechvets... Ah well.


How about a Vendetta or two?

Also, I'd really try to get some drop pods for your Grey hunters.

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Boom! Leman Russ Commander





Ohio

At a low point cost I would ditch the blobs and go with x2 vendettas or 1 if your low on points, then if your running 1 vendetta run a lord commissar with plasma pistol with plasma or melta vets. If you run 2 vendettas you can run the same commissar and vet squad and just add another vet squad for other detta. Or for 2 vendettas you can run a plasma or melta CCS and a vet squad. Those builds are what I would run if I was tight on points but they are probably going to give you the most bang for your buck.

Aside from that save the blob for 1850+ that way you can get better fire support for the blob. Also dont forget the sergeants that have power axes should also have melta bombs as walkers can be a real pain if they tie you up. and some units cant be hurt by axes either. On top of that I would still have a Commissar ontop of the rune priest so you can decline challenges and still have a good leadership to smash you opponent.

Also get drop pods for you hunter squads at this point level.

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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader




Pacific NW

trephines wrote:Rune Priest
x3 10 Grey Hunters with Wolf Standard and 2 meltaguns
x2 6 Long Fangs with 5 Missile Launchers

Primaris Psyker
PCS
x4 Infantry squad with Power Axe

Aegis Defence Line

That totals 1265 points doesn't it?

I'm assuming the Rune Priest is rolling with the Blob? If not, your Blob need a Commissar. One minimally, but normally one for every 2 PIS. The second you do less wounds than the enemy you have a Leadership test and then risk outright destruction.

Grugknuckle wrote:How about a Vendetta or two?

Also, I'd really try to get some drop pods for your Grey hunters.

All of this is solid advice. I'm also a fan of having a squadron of 2 Vendettas, preferably carrying scoring IG units. Typically I do a SWS and PCS decked with Flamers. It is truly amazing what they can do to even Space Marines. Totally wrecks enemy IG blobs as well.

Mind you, that combination is 380 points.

You could also just spend the extra points on Lascannons and a Quad Gun. If you do that I'd recommend swapping the Primaris Psyker for a CCS with Lascannon so you can take advantage of Orders.

Manticores are also good.

rosinator wrote:Power axe on IG sergeants? I don't get that at all.

It has to do with how IG Blobs work. Typically its something like this:

You have 2 PIS. One has a Commissar. You use the Combined Squads rule to make a single 20 man unit that has 2 Sergeants and a Commissar, all 3 with Power Axes. With careful positioning, you basically are getting 2 Power Axe attacks for free against the enemy unit and they can only kill normal Guardsmen. One Sergeant will be thrown in a Challenge if the enemy issues one (or if you need to issue one to win the fight).

Blobs are often seen 20-30 strong. 40 is a bit overkill, and 50 means your opponent likes wasting points. There's a sweet spot with the number of Power Axe attacks and ablative wounds. Most seem to think this is 2 or 3 PIS, others 4 PIS.

Basically its a tarpit with teeth. Even 30-40 Guardsmen will take a few turns to chew through, and there will be anywhere from 9-15 Power Axe attacks coming at you every round. Some units just can't deal with that much AP 2.

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Ohio

I wouldnt say 40 is a bit overkill but rather better, Tony Kopech's army list involved 2 40 man blobs if I remember correctly and it did amazing.

 
   
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader




Pacific NW

40-50 man blobs I normally only see used as meat-shields or for running into combat. If they're for holding your home objective 20-30 is usually good enough.

This is the list Kopach took:
Spoiler:
HQ1: Njal
HQ(Guard): Primaris Psyker

Wolf Guard x4, 4x Terminator Armor, 4x Powerfist

Lone Wolf, Terminator Armor, Stormshield, Chainfist
Lone Wolf, Terminator Armor, Stormshield, Chainfist

Grey Hunters x10, 2x Plasma, Banner
Grey Hunters x10, 2x Plasma, Banner
Grey Hunters x10, 2x Plasma, Banner
Grey Hunters x10, 2x Melta, Banner
Grey Hunters x5, Flamer

Platoon Command Squad
Infantry Squad, Power Weapon (Axe)
Infantry Squad, Power Weapon (Axe)
Infantry Squad, Power Weapon (Axe)
Infantry Squad, Power Weapon (Axe)
Infantry Squad

Long Fangs x5, 4x Missile Launchers
Long Fangs x5, 4x Missile Launchers


The final game had Njal and the Primaris Psyker in the 50-man Blob, giving it Prescience (re-rolls), Forewarning (4++), and Endurance (FNP), ATSKNF (automatic regroups and not destroyed by sweeping advances) and Saga of Majesty (re-rolls for Morale). Literally, the whole plan is to have the Blob and Lone Wolves run up the middle of the board and distract the opponent while the 45 Grey Hunters go for Objectives/Quarters. The blob had no function but to absorb hits and shock the opponent into focusing on it.

Note that other than Prescience, getting Forewarning and Endurance was luck. Neither are Primaris Powers, so are never guaranteed. Also, in the NOVA format there are table quarters so all units are scoring, and opponents *have* to deal with the blob as it can just sit in the very center of the board and threaten any quarter. So the format itself made the list better as well.

trephines' list is the same thing with a few units cut out to make it work at 1500 points. It'll do great against many lists. Others it'll struggle against (anything with a lot of pie-plates or flamers come to mind).

   
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander





Ohio

Oh wow I did not know that the game rules changed at some tournies but that deffinitly changes my view on thinking the power blob was like a death star for guard.

 
   
 
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