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Started playing cygnar this week got my first 10 games under my belt and I realy like how fast and interactive warmachine is . I am of course getting my ass handed to me hard , so I guess it is time to twink the army a bit .

This is the list am runing right now

Lt Cain
2xchargers
2x units of shield and gun dwarfs
1xunit of hammer dwarfs
ragman
steinhammer
Grundback Gunner

some infantry , some shoting , some melee and an anti infantry caster . My problem is that my 3 opponents stoped runing any infantry after 1 game against me and now am just seeing beasts and jacks , with one exeption one of my friends sometimes switchs from his jack hvy kador to a all infantry list with a huge winter guard unit . So my idea to counter other faction jacks is a simple switch . I would remove one charger and one grundback gunner and add an ironclad . the charger and gunner are both nice , but I already have enough low power shoting . I would marshal the ironclad to one of the dwarf sgts or steinhammer and support it with focus from cain , although I doubt that will happen offten, cain being a focus hog and all.

Another option would be to drop both the chargers and the gunner and take a smaller unit of shield dwarfs and take two ironclads . This would give me two beat sticks to play with and the ground smash should help me with knocking down those winterguard and beasts.

Is it a viable way to play or should I do something else ?

And one more question , can the ground pound from an ironclad knock down a conquest ?

No chargers. They are way too focus hungry without Jr.

If you take a charger you need to take Jr. to run him at full force.

Why so many dwarves in a Caine list? Not ATGM + UA? No B13th? No Rowdy or Defender?

I suppose once I understand the strategy behind so many dwarf units with pCaine I can offer some more advice.

The shop where people play warmachine had no b13 , rowdy or defender . no idea what an atgm is .

other units I could get were trenchers, trencher chain guns , hammersmith , a box of stormguards and a box of stormlances. as casters go there were two cains and two nemos.

from mercs there were also rifleman , risen but only in blisters and devil dogs also only in blisters .

I can also get my hands on darius , but would have to wait till I sell my IG for that.

ah and as far as merc solos the shop has those
taryn dila rovisi
dirty meg

The atgm should be in a different colour, mouse over it or select it and it should say arcane tempest gun mages. Try is and see.

The risen and devil dogs in blisters are addons to the unit and probably don't have alexia or sam in them, best to avoid them if that's the case.

Have you tried http://www.waylandgames.co.uk
Darius for example is 28 euro / 119 pln delivered to poland

I am too young to own a credit card so my only option is to either buy from people that are selling their armies or from the shop. My friends stoped playing w40k ,but didnt tell me they are buying armies in bulk for all 3 of them .

My main concern is would Ironclads help me deal with the winterguard list , jack hvy khador and legion . I play against those 2 the most and some games against my friends druids , but that is far in to the future as he only plays with painted stuff.

Ironclad's wouldn't really help you deal with the winterguard to be honest. With rocketeers and CRA's you would be hardpressed to get your IC in there to do any significant damage. The best way I have found to deal with the WG deathstar is shooting in volume. That is where the ATGM can excel with their naturally high RAT.

However seeing as that doesn't seem to be an option I am not sure what else to tell you man unfortunately unless buying online becomes a true option you will have difficulty winning with the model choices available to you.

Will an ironclad help me against armies with jacks or beasts?

Ironclads would be better against other jacks and beasts yes. Depending of course on what beats or jack you are up against. Ol' Rowdy is worth the extra 2 points every single time. He is just that good. And since he needs no focus to run or charge he can pretty much spend the whole game bashing stuff in by himself.

Also Ol' Rowdy's quake attack can make dealing with WG much easier if you can get him into them because he can knock them down making them easier to hit with other models.

Ol'rowdy is a character jack right? I suppose I can slap a shield on an normal Ironclad and run him as one .That wouldnt be counts as more like a conversion or are those a no go in WM too?

my opponents use one big jack with two cannons and one twice as big one with one huge double barrled gun on top of it . The legion player has all beasts , he bought 4 full armies , but he uses the flying ones the most.

Ol' Rowdy is a character jack yes. He is an Ironclad counts as is fine as long as your opponent is ok with it and it is clear what the model is. My Ol' rowdy is actually a conversion but I modeled it exactly like the real model.

I am guessing you are talking about the Behemoth? The Conquest perhaps as well?

I really am not well versed in dealing with Legion so I cannot really speak on that specifically. What I know is that Rowdy is a monster and one of the best jacks in Warmachine.

One has two bombardas and fires them while runing and the other one is twice as big and has one twin link ship gun on top.

By opponent is ok you mean there are rules that allow conversions or that my opponent has to be nice to let me play with a converted rowdy?

I mean your opponent has to be nice enough to let you use it.

If it looks like Rowdy though I would say most people who would say no are douche bags.

Just my opinion though.

I would say you need some hunters. Caine is not the most focus endowed caster, and hunters can operate fairly well with little focus. Also, it greatly increases canines control rang for the hunters. They are, in my opinion one of the best light cygnar jacks


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I would say you need some hunters. Caine is not the most focus endowed caster, and hunters can operate fairly well with little focus. Also, it greatly increases canines control rang for the hunters. They are, in my opinion one of the best light cygnar jacks

Wait so it is possible to use focus on normal infantry and not just jacks ? Didn't knew that , my problem with nyss hunters is that the guy who wanted to sell them to me , didnt want to sell me the squad leader and I was told that it is illegal to play without the leader.

But thank you for the info hunters . I think I will buy nemo then. He has a lot of focus and would work nice boosting the dmg my units. the hammer dwarfs are going to be brutal . weapon master , buff from focus or buff to hit when charging will do tons of damage .

Makumba wrote:
Wait so it is possible to use focus on normal infantry and not just jacks ?

The only thing that allows that is the spell Transference. There may be one or two other corner case options, but apart from that you can't use focus to boost the attacks of regular infantry. Souls are an option for some, and there is the Skorne warlock's (Zaal maybe?) feat which uses dead models to boost, but apart from that you can't. And those last options aren't technically focus.

Then I don't understand the hunter post.

The hunter is a warjack.

Ah ok , only hunters I seen where nyss hunters.

It's a Cygnar light warjack, you should check out battle college if you don't know things like that, it's a pretty well known Cygnar jack and very useful with certain casters, and important to know about. Battle College helps

There arent many people playing cygnar here. Only jacks I have seen being used is the big one , electric one with the sword and the one that casts spells. I picked cygnar mostly because it had the most models and was suppose to work well with mercenaries.

I love Lt. Caine or pCaine as he is known

First off, check this out as mentioned prior:
http://battlecollege.wikispaces.com/mkiiCaine

It sounds like you are relatively new at warmachine. It's great as each warcaster will bring you different ways to play.

Ol' Rowdy is a great warjack but I find I tend to only really use it with specific 'casters like the Strykers or someone who is starved for focus. What makes Ol' Rowdy great is how focus efficient it is (run and charge for free, great MAT and has counter charge) and how it synergizes greatly with the Strykers. Other than that, it's a 9 point ironclad.

A regular ironclad is a great beatstick jack. It's 7 points and can hit just as hard as Ol' Rowdy. Sure, it's 1 less arm and 1 less MAT but Cygnar makes great Cortexes so MAT 7 will make you the envy of the Khadorans.

Chargers are great at maximum efficiency (I have an eNemo list with 7 in it) but 2 will rarely ever see them getting 3 focus each in a pCaine list.

pCaine seems to do great supporting a very typical Cygnar list- combined arms. His spell list:
Blur- +3 def against ranges and magical ranged attacks (AWESOME)
Deadeye- extra die on the first attack roll of the model / unit
Forcehammer- A ranged slam attack which is pretty great
Teleport- place Caine 8 inches away and your activation ends.
Snipe- +4 range on ranged attacks.

When building a list with a warcaster, you want to try and maximize everything from feat to spells to attacks. Let me tell you something, you never lived until you cast snipe and deadeye on a full unit of stormblades to watch them assault from 18 inches away just to watch your opponent's face when their warjack or beast is being crushed by 10 auto hitting (after the first hit (rat 5+3d6 will hit )) pow 14s.

pCaine can kill infantry dead on his own, for the most part. On his feat, with a squire and snipe, he will hit (and probably kill) all single wound infantry within 14 inches. That's awesome. So really, he likes some decent strong ranged and some strong melee. The forgeguard are slow but could work in a list where he is killing all the infantry trying to kill them. Also, Blur on forgeguard brings them to def 13 which is.... not the worst defense in the game?

The highshield dwarfs.. I want to like them. They are just really low range and super slow. I suppose with snipe, they aren't the worst models in the game but with pCaine's spd 7, they are going to be running to keep up.

Colossals can never be knocked down.

To deal with winterguard, as mentioned previously, get ATGM, their UA and eEryiss. Nothing takes the wind out of a Khadoran's sails like removing iron flesh and having gunmages just take their time taking them apart. Honestly, as a Cygnar player, I never felt scared of winterguard as having ATGM, hell, standing still with snipe runeshot means you are aiming with RAT 9 effectively. Then use eEryiss to strip off iron flesh and suddenly they lose all that made them scary.

TL;DR
Get ATGM + UA, get eEryiss. Take out the highshields, chargers and probably Thor and the gunner, at least one of the chargers and take the ironclad.