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I have some old 3rd Ed Reaver jetbikes for my DE (i think these are probably the best model of the old stuff and i dont want to replace them), which where supplied on the larger skimmer bases, however in the newer models are supplied on the smaller versions of these bases. When using Reavers on the larger bases it gives a disadvantage to both players, A) the user finds it harder to group up the Reavers and move them for the Bladevanes. B) the opposition player can hit fewer with blast markers due to the much larger size of these bases.

My question is; Are people going to get funny if i turn up with old style bikes on smaller bases, this includes TO's, GW shops and other clubs?

I am sorry if this has been brought up before but i haven't seen anything regarding the issue (mainly as i have only just got back into DE) and i dont want to go buying new bases if i cant use them.

Edit: I understand there is a usual consensus that you shouldn't change the base size for gaming, unsure if this applies to older models where the newer ones have changed.
I suppose simalar models could include the old terminators and soon to be the old wraithguard (i think they are going from 25mm to 40mm bases) im sure there must be other examples of this. What do people think on updating the base sizes?

People will get funny (sometimes), but they don't have any rules to back them up.

Some tournaments may have their own rules requiring the base size of the current edition though, read the rulespack well.

How you you want an opponent to fix it?

That should provide your answer right there.

I honestly dont think many people will notice. But it may be worth having a look on the bay of E for some of the smaller bases. just incase.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
How you you want an opponent to fix it?

That should provide your answer right there.

But it only provides your answer if you speak that particular dialect of "typo"

The rules are quite clear that a model must be mounted on the base it came with.

 Grey Templar wrote:
The rules are quite clear that a model must be mounted on the base it came with.

Not in 6th. The rulebook says you are free to refit older models to a more suitable modern equivalent - this is a perfect example.

 Super Ready wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
The rules are quite clear that a model must be mounted on the base it came with.

Not in 6th. The rulebook says you are free to refit older models to a more suitable modern equivalent - this is a perfect example.

And using models of similar type to determine.

Boils down to: How does it impact the rules? In some circumstances, the impact is minimal, in others, it can be gamebreaking.

It is pretty easy for oversized bases to be 'played as' the smaller base by keeping a tigher coherency. It is pretty easy for understized bases to be set on top of the appropriate-sized base for gameplay.

I don't think jetbikes are usually in such numbers where assault base-size is going to be an issue, and the only thing is blast template and coherency issues. Since a TO or opponent could ask you to play as if smaller bases (closer coherency) but then force the disadvantage for CC of larger base... there may be value to you to rebase. Maybe use the opportunity to go magnetic flyer base and forever rid yourself of breaking pegs.

If you don't want to do it, don't... And you may or may not have issues. I attempt to rebase to the appropriate size... but I also like my squad characters on Scenic bases. As long as I am not trying to exploit advantage from it, people don't complain. If needed I pop a 25mm in for the 40mm character and don't get mad about it.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
How you you want an opponent to fix it?

That should provide your answer right there.

But it only provides your answer if you speak that particular dialect of "typo"

damn touchscreens...

How would you want an opponent to fix it?

 Super Ready wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
The rules are quite clear that a model must be mounted on the base it came with.

Not in 6th. The rulebook says you are free to refit older models to a more suitable modern equivalent - this is a perfect example.

No, it says that models _without_ a base or on unusually modelled bases may be re-mounted on a base size appropriate for miniatures of that size.

 Super Ready wrote:
Not in 6th. The rulebook says you are free to refit older models to a more suitable modern equivalent - this is a perfect example.

The rulebook does not say this at all.


However, Jetbikes sit in a bit of a weird spot where bases are concerned, because GW seems to keep changing their minds as to just which base they should come with. Eldar Jetbikes have been supplied over the years with 3 different flight bases, and for a while 2 of those were at the same time depending on whether you bought them singly or in a battleforce.

As a result, most people get used to the fact that jetbikes could be on either of the current flight bases. Chances are if you just put them onto whichever size you think works best for them, most players won't even notice, let alone care.

Where abouts in the rulebook does it say about base sizings? I would like to read what it says.

So far im getting the general feel that on jetbikes most people arent going to mind/wont notice, im still unsure if i should rebase them. They are not glued on and just slide on, so wont.t be hard to change i just dont want to unnecessarily sped out that money if its going to be against the rules.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
How you you want an opponent to fix it?

That should provide your answer right there.

But it only provides your answer if you speak that particular dialect of "typo"

damn touchscreens...

How would you want an opponent to fix it?

This all made me giggle.

 Deathcult0 wrote:
Where abouts in the rulebook does it say about base sizings? I would like to read what it says.

So far im getting the general feel that on jetbikes most people arent going to mind/wont notice, im still unsure if i should rebase them. They are not glued on and just slide on, so wont.t be hard to change i just dont want to unnecessarily sped out that money if its going to be against the rules.

BRB, pg 3, bottom left.

Lack of a base entirely is only one example - "unusually modelled" is another given, but they are only examples and don't cover it completely. Here's why, emphasis mine:
"you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish, using models of a similar type as guidance."
Notice that it says similar, it doesn't say the exact same unit - for Jetbikes though, the only similar unit to reference bases from apart from the changing Eldar ones is Dark Eldar Reaver jetbikes.

Insaniak wrote:most people get used to the fact that jetbikes could be on either of the current flight bases. Chances are if you just put them onto whichever size you think works best for them, most players won't even notice, let alone care.

This is pretty much the long and short of it.

 Super Ready wrote:
Lack of a base entirely is only one example - "unusually modelled" is another given, but they are only examples and don't cover it completely. Here's why, emphasis mine:
"you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish, using models of a similar type as guidance."
Notice that it says similar, it doesn't say the exact same unit - for Jetbikes though, the only similar unit to reference bases from apart from the changing Eldar ones is Dark Eldar Reaver jetbikes.

Insaniak wrote:most people get used to the fact that jetbikes could be on either of the current flight bases. Chances are if you just put them onto whichever size you think works best for them, most players won't even notice, let alone care.

This is pretty much the long and short of it.

But you omit the most important bit of that quote: "In these cases, ..". That is, in the two cases listed before it: no base and unusually modelled bases. It is not general permission to do whatever you want.