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Was rereading the bike rulles for assaulting through cover, main de to Eldar jetbikes and lack of grenades. (based on umors)

So from what I read on the Bike pages, and the rules for assaulting through cover, mine over all outcome is taht bikes don't strike at I1 when assault through cover due to the fact that they don't ever become subject to the Assaulting through cover rules due to the fact that they are never slowed by terrain and because only units that have to work through the steps od assaulting through terrain suffer the penatlies in the last paragraph of that section, which makes units strike at I1. They only suffer dangerous due to treating all terrain as dangerous.

What do you think? why? Just want to work this out for when I assault with my jetbikes in future games (Have never asault with guardian jetbikes before, but with WS4 and 3+, I think they'll be more useful.

Coyote81 wrote:
...they don't ever become subject to the Assaulting through cover rules due to the fact that they are never slowed by terrain and because only units that have to work through the steps od assaulting through terrain suffer the penatlies in the last paragraph of that section, ...

Yeah, you have this a little confused.

Whether or not a unit's movement is slowed by difficult terrain, the initiative penalty for assaulting through cover applies if you have to assault into or through cover. This is clarified in the rulebook FAQ.

Totally missed that in my last read through. Thanks. Seems like one of those FAQs taht don't make sense for the situation. Wonder if GW has a spinning table of answers, and they just take a whirl on the table and see what answer that they will put down.

Coyote81 wrote:
Totally missed that in my last read through. Thanks. Seems like one of those FAQs taht don't make sense for the situation. Wonder if GW has a spinning table of answers, and they just take a whirl on the table and see what answer that they will put down.

I am 73% sure this is the case

 insaniak wrote:
Whether or not a unit's movement is slowed by difficult terrain, the initiative penalty for assaulting through cover applies if you have to assault into or through cover. This is clarified in the rulebook FAQ.

Technically, the rules never say assaulting "into" the terrain causes the initiative penalty, only moving through it.

I mention this because there has at various points been some debate about whether or not a jetbike will ever suffer such a penalty given jetbikes are said to "move over all ... terrain freely" and that moving over terrain is by it's very nature, not moving through it.

That view is certainly a minority one though in my experience.

The intention is clear because some of the cover-moving rules in 5th used the wording "ignores" or "ignores the effects of". In these cases, you didn't suffer the Initiative penalty. In 6th this was changed to "not slowed". With that in mind it's obvious what the change was for.

on a related note are harlequins immune to this I1 rule due to their flip belts?

 nonowho wrote:
on a related note are harlequins immune to this I1 rule due to their flip belts?

Rulebook FAQ (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3170233a_40K_RULEBOOK_v1.4_APRIL13.pdf Page 5):
Q: Do models that ignore difficult terrain when moving or charging still fight at Initiative step 1 if they charge through difficult terrain? (p22)
A: Yes.

This may of course change on Saturday...