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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/02 19:43:51
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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Freaky Flayed One
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Am i reading the potential of this wrong but ive had a thought which i wanted to share.
Fuegans unquenchable resolve gives him +1 str and attacks for each unsaved wound. psychic power gives a model one of its wounds back. The way i read it however is further wounds keep addin the +1, so eventually you could have a str 10 high attack fuegan on your hands. Given the power of his axe aswel im not sure alot could stand against him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/02 19:45:28
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
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Yup. Also, if you found a way to give him FNP, the +1A and +1Str would activate before you took the FNP roll, meaning you could get a lot of use out of that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/02 19:54:03
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Fuegan comes with FNP as standard
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/02 19:58:46
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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Freaky Flayed One
London, UK
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Yep he has fnp. so would the opinion be, until it gets faq'd out , that this would be legal??
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/02 20:06:20
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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Been Around the Block
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That's terrifying. He always was my favourite Phoenix Lord, and now he's... brutal. At least till an FAQ ruins his fun. :-p
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/02 20:39:59
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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Fixture of Dakka
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And once again Fuegan proves that he and Karandras are just in a different league altogether.
Although unlike Maugan Ra they have yet to punch out a hive fleet, dive into the eye of terror, or cut a biotitan in half by just positioning a scythe in front of it's charge.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/02 21:08:33
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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Sister Vastly Superior
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Fnp is a save, "unsaved wound" is after fnp, no?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/02 21:10:17
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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Confessor Of Sins
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You get an unsaved wound when you fail a save, FNP then allows you to ignore it (it's not a save).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/02 21:14:07
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Read the rulebook definition of FNP it clearly states what it is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/03 01:53:08
Subject: Re:whirlwind of fuegan death
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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Wonder if they will FAQ that, he would be terrifying as a tank who regenerates wounds and gets stronger as he does so. The Incredible Fuegan-Hulk. Good catch on that!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/03 03:17:16
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If you're using FW, you can take a wraithseer to give a 4+ fnp to wraith units. Stick Fuegan in there for the +1 bonus to the fnp roll.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/03 03:23:01
Subject: Re:whirlwind of fuegan death
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Furious Raptor
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How does a wraithseer give anyone fnp thats not even a runes of battle psychic power, and you guys are acting like your always going to roll and get that replenish a wound talent, you wont, half the time your farseer wont even have fortune.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/03 03:25:56
Subject: Re:whirlwind of fuegan death
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Frecklesonfire wrote:How does a wraithseer give anyone fnp thats not even a runes of battle psychic power, and you guys are acting like your always going to roll and get that replenish a wound talent, you wont, half the time your farseer wont even have fortune.
Wraithseer - not spirit seer.
The wraithseer is the Wraithlord/farseer from forgeworld.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/03 03:27:56
Subject: Re:whirlwind of fuegan death
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Frecklesonfire wrote:How does a wraithseer give anyone fnp thats not even a runes of battle psychic power, and you guys are acting like your always going to roll and get that replenish a wound talent, you wont, half the time your farseer wont even have fortune.
WRAITHSEER - a wraith lord seer HQ FROM FORGE WORLD.
Also with 3 rolls it is a much greater chance to get fortune than 50% as you reroll rolls of the same number
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/03 03:45:54
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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Fixture of Dakka
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Feel no pain clearly states that while it is NOT a save if you successfully ignore a wound using FNP that wound counts as as having been saved. Very last part of the FNP rule.
Even without that, Fuegan is pretty decent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/03 12:25:39
Subject: Re:whirlwind of fuegan death
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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Theorius wrote:
Also with 3 rolls it is a much greater chance to get fortune than 50% as you reroll rolls of the same number
It would still be 50% since you will end up with 3 out of 6 powers regardless.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/03 12:37:33
Subject: Re:whirlwind of fuegan death
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World-Weary Pathfinder
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Off topic, but:
It would still be 50% since you will end up with 3 out of 6 powers regardless.
Pretty much. Here's some maths I crunched:
Chance of getting one power in particular:
One Seer: 50%
Eldrad: 66.40%
Two Seers: 74.80% (and a 2.7% chance of getting it twice)
As you can see, if you're planning on relying on Fortune, take two seers for the same cost as Eldrad and get an increased chance of getting it, not to mention combined ML6 to boot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/03 13:08:56
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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Horrific Howling Banshee
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As I see it, it's less than 50% because I'm not keeping two of Executioner, Death Mission, and Mind War to have a 1/4 chance of getting Fortune.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/03 13:45:15
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
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The rolls are not entirely disseperate due to the invalid case of the same power being rolled on the same psyker. Therefore you have to treat each roll as a diminishing set of possible outcomes.
the math for eldrad:
1/6+1/5+1/4+1/3=95%
This is the chance of getting one power you want from the list if you chose never to exchange for the primaris. If you chose to exchange it could be from 78% to 86% depending on when you exchange (always better to do it later to get rerolls off early powers)
For Mastery Level 3:
1/6+1/5+1/4=62%
For mastery level 2:
1/6+1/5=37%
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/03 13:52:41
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Thank you, Zeph. You have renewed my faith in Dakka's ability to understand Probabilities.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/03 14:09:17
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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Horrific Howling Banshee
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zephoid wrote:The rolls are not entirely disseperate due to the invalid case of the same power being rolled on the same psyker. Therefore you have to treat each roll as a diminishing set of possible outcomes.
the math for eldrad:
1/6+1/5+1/4+1/3=95%
This is the chance of getting one power you want from the list if you chose never to exchange for the primaris. If you chose to exchange it could be from 78% to 86% depending on when you exchange (always better to do it later to get rerolls off early powers)
For Mastery Level 3:
1/6+1/5+1/4=62%
For mastery level 2:
1/6+1/5=37%
Except the second chance isn't 1/5. It's (1/5)*(5/6) because it means you failed the first roll. Simplifying to (again) 1/6, and a 1/3 cumulative chance. The third chance would be (1/4)*(4/6) - again simplifying to 1/6, for a 1/2 cumulative chance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/03 14:20:52
Subject: whirlwind of fuegan death
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SlaveToDorkness wrote:Thank you, Zeph. You have renewed my faith in Dakka's ability to understand Probabilities.
Thats not the correct way to calculate it... If it were then a lvl 5 farseer would have a 145% chance of getting the desired power...
How to caluclate it: You have a 5 in 6 chance to not get it on the first roll, next time you have a 4 in 5 and so on. So for a lvl 3 youd have a
1-5/6*4/5*3/4 = 0.5 chance of gettin the power.
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