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Is this a bad idea full stop. Or is this just a bad version of this list. Or is this viable?

Karandras 230
Farseer: Spirit Stone, Spear, Bike 135

10 Scorpions: Exarch w/Scorpions claw 210
5 Scorpions: Exarch w/Scorpions claw, Crushing blow 135
5 Scorpions: Exarch w/Scorpions claw, Crushing blow 135

9 Jet bikes: 3 cannons 183
6 Jet bikes: 2 cannons 122
6 Jet bikes: 2 cannons 122
3 Jet bikes: cannon 61
3 Jet bikes: cannon 61
3 Jet bikes: cannon 61

5 Shining Spears: Exarch w/Star Lance, Hit & Run 160
4 Shining Spears: Exarch w/Star Lance, Hit & Run 135

1750

My concerns are obviously AT and AA and the fragility of my assault units. But could this work?

I'd cut some of the bikes, make 2 full scorpion squads instead of smaller ones and one Shining Spears squad possibly. Then get some AT to support

Drop stuff, take illic and 10 d-scythes, deploy 1" away and watch your enemy cry.

take illic and 10 d-scythes, deploy 1" away

1) How? Wraiths don't have infiltrate.
2) what on earth has that got to do with an assault based Eldar list?

Shamikebab. What AT do you suggest that would work with this list? My War walkers just give my opponents AT something to do. Warp Spiders are too short ranged to really benefit the list this is even more the case with Fire Dragons. So what do you suggest? Wraithlords as they are CC too?

This Perhaps?

Karandras 230
Farseer: Spirit Stone, Bike 130

10 Scorpions: Exarch w/Scorpions claw 210
5 Scorpions: Exarch w/Scorpions claw, Crushing blow 135
5 Scorpions: Exarch w/Scorpions claw, Crushing blow 135

6 Jet bikes: 2 cannons 122
6 Jet bikes: 2 cannons 122
6 Jet bikes: 2 cannons 122
3 Jet bikes: 51

Wraithlord: 2 BLs, Ghost glaive 165
Wraithlord: 2 BLs, Ghost glaive 165
Wraithlord: 2 BLs 160

Wraithlords with Bright Lances certainly aren't a bad choice, tough and give something to distract the enemies fire from your other squads.

I'd drop the third Wraihtlord and the smaller jet bike squad and keep some Shining Spears though, gives you a different Assault threat and can take out armour too if needed.

Well I get 5 spears with Star Lance for the same as the Wraithlord so I could make that swap. I like that 3 man bike squad as a start in reserve and hide for late game objective grabbing unit.

The other option is Warp Spiders their low range is mitigated by their immense manouvrability. The Wraithlords would lag behind the rest of the army some what. The Spiders would Also give me massed 3+ save wounds. Though Id have no way of dealing with AV14.

Seems like an awsome idea, please tell me how this works because i wan't to try it. i will be using normal guardians instead and marching them up instead of the jet just because i can't buy them yet.

 FlingitNow wrote:

take illic and 10 d-scythes, deploy 1" away

1) How? Wraiths don't have infiltrate.
2) what on earth has that got to do with an assault based Eldar list?

1) Illic confers it to any unit he joins (as does Karandras for that matter) just like Shrike
2) You're in his face, and while he is dealing with it you have free reign to move your assault units, plus your burning him alive and terrorizing his lines, how is that not assault based?

 Ravenous D wrote:
Drop stuff, take illic and 10 d-scythes, deploy 1" away and watch your enemy cry.

Illic confers the infiltrate USR to the WG yes. HOWEVER!!!!!! He does not confer the ability to ignore the 18" deployment bubble to the entire unit, only to himself. Sorry; but this won't work!

Where does it say that it doesn't confer?

P55 Illics entry:
"Illic Nightspear has the Infiltrate special rule, and can be deployed anywhere on the battlefield that is outside of impassable terrain, regardless of enemy proximity."

Illic can deploy ignoring the USR restrictions, nothing about his unit being able to circumvent the Infiltrate USR requirements.

Yes infiltrate is a USR and he confers it to the squad of wraithguard; but RAW I would say that his own unique ability to ignore the limitations of the infiltrate USR are for him alone and not conferred to his unit.

The Walker of the Hidden Path rule is not a USR and comes in 3 parts:
1. Confers Infiltrate USR
2. Ignores USR restrictions for himself
3. Pathfiners/Rangers can outflank deepstrike next to him without scatter

Sorry to pop your bubble.

Edit: Have added a threat to YMDC as per MandalorynOranj's suggestion.

I think this issue probably deserves its own thread.

How does illicit confer infiltrate to a unit? Remember to join a unit he has to deploy with it. Shrikes rule doesn't work in RaW at the moment and Illic doesn't even has his wording.