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Thoughts I had before making this list:

I wanted to have 3 Wave Serpents, as they seem so all-round useful.
I wanted to have units profiting from battle focus and the pseudo rending.
I wanted to have a couple of blast weapons.

I'd prefer to have had a CC unit, but I can't find the points to do so and still have some anti-heldrake. Right now that's the flyer and my Wave Serpents.
I'm quite happy about what the new codex gave us, but am a bit disappointed by what you can actually fit in a list.

Farseer, Singing spear Eldar jetbike Spiritseer 10x Dire Avenger Wave Serpent, Shuriken cannon, Twin-linked scatter lasers 10x Dire Avenger Wave Serpent, Shuriken cannon, Twin-linked scatter lasers 3x Guardian Jetbike, Shuriken Cannons 3x Guardian Jetbike, Shuriken Cannons 5x Wraithguard Wave Serpent, Shuriken cannon, Twin-linked scatter lasers Crimson Hunter 6x Warp Spider 6x Warp Spider Fire Prism Nightspinner


The Farseer will probably join a unit of Spiders or Bikes, trying to keep up with the avengers, WG and Spiders to be able to buff them. Spiritseer is likely to joing the WG. Desired powers would depend on the opponent but I'm likely to roll on Divination and perhaps pick up Guide (trying to get Doom, which should have been the primaris IMO).

Against non-assault armies the plan is to go forward with most stuff and disembark quickly, using all the infantry shots asap. Avengers using Battle Focus to maximise range after shooting.

Priority targets would be Skyfire-interceptor units to give the Crimson Hunter a change to survive. Otherwise, fast assaulting stuff will be a bane to the skimmers so they have to die, as well as anything else that is a threat to the vehicles (Hive Guard, the entire Tau codex...)



Any thoughts?

I like it.

A little weak on the ranged anti-tank. Sure Wraithguard are great but they need to get there.

The only thing I would try and change is maybe swap the Nightspinner for another Fire Prism.

Rest looks solid and balanced to me.

Hey Nivo,
Nice list. Looks mean and focussed.
Good manouvrability and diverse threats.
The only unit I think could be replaced, is the second squad of Spiders.
In stead you could look into a Wraithlord, whitch could offer longrange shooting and counterassault in a pinch.

Cilithan

Thanks for the comments.

I agree about the Wraithguard, I'm not sold on that unit either. It is a sturdy troop that allowed me to buy a Serpent, but 5 guys won't achieve much I fear.
I want the Nightspinner as it could do a number on Necron Wraiths, a common tourney unit. It's a bit of anti-everything really.

I could drop the 2nd squad of spiders, I agree.
I want to like the wraithlord but he's more expensive then he use to be and didn't really get buffed. It is a solution to having CC and more ranged anti tank so perhaps I should rethink this.

Dropping Spiders and Wraiths will net me an empty serpent and 274 points (and the Spiritseer for 70), I'll see what I can do


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Right, I can drop the Wraithguard, Spiritseer, Spiders and a Jetbike unit allowing me to take an Avengers squad and a Wraithknight.
Wraithknight for ranged AT and his CC abilities. He's a better buy than a Wraithlord in this role IMO. A lord with 2x lance comes in at 160 points.
The 8 Avengers to fill the serpent with troops. I don't want guardians in there, I don't like what explode does to T3 5+ Ld8.

List would be:
Farseer
10x Avengers, Serpent
10x Avengers, Serpent
8x Avengers, Serpent
3x GJB, cannon
Crimson Hunter
9x Spiders
Fire Prism
Nightspinner
Wraithknight (2x s10)

I could drop 3 more Avengers to be able to make two 5 man Spider squads?
Advantage: MSU, go after more targets. Generally, MSU is better.
Downside: 5 man is less profit from Farseer buffs that might go to Spiders. Another downside is the now irrelevant 5 man DA squad.

A walking squad of Guardians w platform to protect homebase objective and firedragons in stead of the third avenger squad? Drop some Spiders if necesary to accomodate. Like the changes otherwise...

In Wave Serpents Guardians seem a better bet. Same damage output for 80 less points.

I worry that your Warlord is in a very fragile squad (whichever he joins). I would probably combine the Jet bikes into 1 squad to accompany him.

Get more Warp Spiders (Id say the same to anyone without 30). They are a massed fire power unit they need numbers. They are also great AA and Wrath control.

I agree with others a second Prism will do more for you than the nightspinner.

It is a lot of points but perhaps the D-Scythes are worth looking at on the Wraiths?

Thanks again!

 Cilithan wrote:
A walking squad of Guardians w platform to protect homebase objective and firedragons in stead of the third avenger squad? Drop some Spiders if necesary to accomodate. Like the changes otherwise...

Sadly, that won't fit, unless I exchange more Avengers for Guardians. Which brings me to

 FlingitNow wrote:
In Wave Serpents Guardians seem a better bet. Same damage output for 80 less points.

I worry that your Warlord is in a very fragile squad (whichever he joins). I would probably combine the Jet bikes into 1 squad to accompany him.

Get more Warp Spiders (Id say the same to anyone without 30). They are a massed fire power unit they need numbers. They are also great AA and Wrath control.

I agree with others a second Prism will do more for you than the nightspinner.

It is a lot of points but perhaps the D-Scythes are worth looking at on the Wraiths?

Agree with most of that.
I have bad memories of Guardians in serpents, because they are so vulnerable to explosions. The 40 points difference per squad buys a lot of survivability, LD9, 4+ and most of all 18" range. As explosions are now less likely, maybe I should give this a go.

Already play-tested the Spiders in a small game and they were easily the MVP. I'd like to run more as well. I could drop the Crimson Hunter for more Spiders, in an average game that would benefit me more. However, my biggest fears are Helldrakes, FMCs and stuff like Annihilation barges and other high AV stuff. I think the Hunter would help me with these more?

You are right about the Warlord. The only fix right now I can see, is him joining other squads during the game if his own is depleted.

Nightspinner: Barrage means I can snipe Ethereals, ICs in blobs and instagib them. I can stay out of LoS if needed. Can ID Wraiths. Has a Torrent flamer on a fast chassis. It still is s8 vs most vehicles in the game (always side armour). Can hit multiple vehicles (IG parking lot), it's harder to get a cover save from barrage as well (jink saves still work I guess, but an ADL or regular cover from obscurement often won't.)
A Prism will kill MEQ/TEQ better, and land raiders. But all the Monofilament and Bladestorm will also help vs those targets.
I think all this is sufficiently different from a Fire Prism to not double them up?

I'd love some D-Scythes, but can't find points for them


I'll revise the first list, exchanging Avengers with Guardians, and see if I can use those points to address the stated issues.
Thanks all!

With Wave Serpents now explosions are nigh impossible. A 4+ isn't really that different to a 5+ with battle focus you should always be in cover any way. Id give the guardians a try now. For the same points you can chuck in a spearlock and that can bring even better benefits (like 3+ cover now you're more survivable). The range is the big difference but between the Serpent and the damage output of blade storm that shouldn't be an issue anymore.

Yeah the Hunter helps you more against a Helldrakes but the Warp Spiders should be able to get rear shots on it and kill it. You have the Wraiths and potentially 2 Prisms for high AV.

If you want your seer on a bike you're going to need to get a bigger squad to put him in. As is those bike squads are just giving up StW and FB easily to your opponent.

If you like the Nightspinner so much take 2 of it. But I feel Prisms suit this list better.

Thanks, I already decided to give the guardians a go. Haven't posted a new list but I've taken your advice to heart