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A human wearing armor and a helmet is going to be pretty generic. The idea that women need sexualized armor which distinguishes gender with curves and boobplates is kinda part of the problem.

I have yet to see many people who sculpt female heads actually well, but except for the musclebound catchans, most of the other humanoid soldier models could easily be women under all that armor.

All they need to do is kinda remove the fake 'bewb armor' from the models and not make poses of people firing a gun like they are a sexy maid and then they may have some real female models worth buying.
Personally, I find a want for 'females' different from 'cheesecake' and I don't want cheesecake. I find most of the raging heroes concepts absurd. No one is going to fire a heavy chaingun with a shirt which allows underboob to poke out. It is insane. No cyborg automoton is going to have a low-cut boob exposure.

No one needs armor with Boobs on it. In war they will have unisex armor and just wear a sports bra that keeps everything out of the way.

I have been wanting Fantasy Females much like how WOW has female designs for all their characters. You can have a Female Orc without her being a bad joke or an over-sexualized cheesecake mold. I would rather realistic females which are in normal unit assortment where if it makes sense, have orcs with men and women in it.

I am not sure I agree that pandering cheesecake models to adult men shows that GW missed a market for 'female' models when it kinda just boils down to men wanting cheesecake and not making true realistic dual-gender representation for rank and file.

http://martwhim.tumblr.com/post/40061546009/why-do-you-hate-the-shape-of-breasts-in-plate-armor-so

Perfect article... It not only shows why the "bewb armor" is impractical and ineffective but would actually hurt or kill the person wearing it.

Cheesecake is just that, and many people see it as pointless trash. Don't confuse the market for female models with that for cheesecake models.

But that example of a 'female breastplate' was the equivalent of a 'cup'. So every male model who wears a cup needs a giant, exterior, over exaggerated, penis-shaped massive piece to make the model look male?

By time you wear anything over the 'female cup' you won't even see the 'bewbs' and the outer armor for a fantasy-armor would be either a regular breastplate or a corseted breastplate, and in scifi, would be flack armor, which has slightly different dimensions, but not one to accentuate female curves like in the cheesecake models we see.

http://www.army.mil/article/90697/


Make those models. At 28mm the distinction is almost non-visible, just slightly different body dimensions. That is what GW should sneak into their sprues, not more bewbs.

 Grot 6 wrote:


Percentages of what sells is what you really need to cry me a river over. Cheesecake= $$$$. THAT is the point.

Cheesecake may = $$$$, but that doesn't mean GW or PP should alter their business model to sell cheesecake, especially since their audience includes kids. PP has very reasonable female models, and outside GW's daemonetts (which I have seen banned in stores due to complaints) the female models GW makes are also basic.

People claim anyone not making female rank and file is leaving money on the table, but I do not think Hasslefree miniatures will sell 400k of their realistic rank and file. People apparently want T&A with absurd stripper poses and that is best monopolized on by fringe specialty mini makers, not companies trying to produce a core line of miniatures for customers which include kids.

 mattyrm wrote:

Yes, but this is where the conversation is going to leave the realms of gaming and go into the heady realm of philosophy. I mean, I think that the current GW models are fine, but who are you, or militant feminists to decide exactly what should and shouldn't be sold in stores?

I don't have a problem with them existing, but I do not think it is 'wise' for companies making mainstream models for an audience which includes kids to expand their universe to 'cheesecake' or 'pornographic' models simply because money can be possibly made there. It isn't smart business. Of all GW's models, the bare-chested human-looking daemonettes with nipples crossed a line in our area which made stores take action. The newer ones are less human, less realistic, void of exposed nipples and have a more abstract daemonic look which is more reasonable for a model line who includes kids and teens. GW got real feedback about it, and I think it is interesting as it was referred to as GW's *ONLY* sexy model they have ever made... That is kinda the point. GW doesn't make sexy models. And consumers give retailers feedback who give companies feedback.

I think that it is fine if people want to make and buy models, I just disagree that it should be forced into mainstream model lines or manufacturers. I think a large number of the Raging heroes models are absurd for no reason. Their newest unlock is an amazingly cool tank-hunter, armor clad female in a reasonable pose with awesome weapons... And a pointlessly absurd 'bewbplate' for no reason. If that was just a featureless armor plate, the model would still be feminine and cool, but the need for bewbplate ruins the model.

Some people like it, more power to them. I just don't agree that GW or PP need to learn a lesson from this KS and instantly release a line of cheesecake female models to please a select group of adults who can simply go elsewhere to get what they want.

As for the lady suing about magazines... I don't know the laws in the UK, if she has legal ground, it is up for her to make a case in court.

In the US, those magazines already have to come bagged with a black cover to hide the cover and block access to the interior. So the law already requires pornographic materials to be censored if displayed or sold in stores. People get what they want, people who don't want to be exposed to it, are not, the world keeps spinning.


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shade1313 wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
and I think it is interesting as it was referred to as GW's *ONLY* sexy model they have ever made...

The slave girls from the 3rd edition Asdrubael Vect model beg to differ.

Just repeating what someone in the thread stated and it happens to be the model which retailers declined to stock and didn't allow in stores and have since been re-sculpted into a less provocative design.

 Breotan wrote:
I want to punch this entire discussion thread in the face. Is this really what get's you guys up in arms? Cheesecake?

First world problems...

So there is no point in discussions pretty much anything because there is genocide in Africa? As long as there is kids dying in the street from Aids somewhere in the world there is no reason to discuss miniatures or opinions on them?

Yakface should know this info so he can shut down dakkadakka immediately and donate every penny used to run this server to solve real problems.

 LunaHound wrote:

Hmm and I respect that! a man doesn't get freaked out by female sculpt like some over protective mother,nor does he act like
a 40 year old virgin, nicely said jah.

Productive, try to insult anyone who disagrees with you and paint them as ignorant.

Some of us would rather realistic representations of females in combat. Some of us don't feel the need to sexualize our figure collection which is often used with kids. And no matter how you slice it, It does objectify women, underboob is not empowering and if I had half those minis on my desk at work, I would be cited for sexual harassment.

Look up Brosie the Riviter... Men as well as women were bothered by the situation.

No one is saying these models can't or shouldn't be made, it is more of certain people saying "How dare you not like them or have a problem with them? These are the female models we all want!"

Well they aren't. If there was a full line of realistic females in combat which I wouldn't be ashamed buying for my nieces, I would get them. RH is absurd and not empowering at all. Hasslefree miniature's female sculpts are the perfect example of realistic and equal representations, and that is what I want to see more of. (I totally know hasslefree has all sorts of nude and cheesecake, which is fine, but they also make alternatives which is also good)