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Can they preform their move over and attack abilities against flyers? Any references would be great. Thank you ahead of time.

 Goat wrote:
Can they preform their move over and attack abilities against flyers? Any references would be great. Thank you ahead of time.

Now that... is an interesting question.

I'd say no, but the rules are a little vague. The ruling is that any weapon that hits automatically can't target Flyers, but that references the Snap Shot rule so would be implied to refer to shooting attacks, not quasi-HtH attacks. A FMC can Vector Strike a flyer, but Screamers are Jetbikes. One would argue that since there are specific references to moving under a flyer but not over a flyer, Screamers can't do so and therefor can't use that attack, but then one could also argue that as semantics.

FAQ-worthy, but still, I'd say no if you asked me in a game.

I would have to say no as there is nothing to override the hard to hit rule for a zooming flyer. You need a specific exception and there isn't one for Screamers.

Considering they had to Errata the Vector Strike rules so that it said you could target Flyers specifically, I'm going to say no.

It is a very interesting clashing of two separate rules.

It has to get very rule lawyering to come to a negative conclusion. That argument would stem on the fact shots need to be resolved against a flyer, as per the hard to hit rule, as snapshots. Automatic-hitting attacks are not being resolved as snap shots, and hence can not meet the requirement to bypass hard to hit.

I think it is a little weak, but I don't see anything else that would prevent you from enacting Striking attack against a flyer. Turbo-boost clearly states you move over all other models, the model interaction rules for flyers has nothing disallowing something going overhead and the slashing attack restrictions doesn't prevent flyers from being targeted.

However it is more likely an overlooked situation and I wish we had more of a definitive FAQ answer then 'Yes' to a single situation when other abilities clearly have the same potential.

JinxDragon wrote:
It has to get very rule lawyering to come to a negative conclusion. That argument would stem on the fact shots need to be resolved against a flyer, as per the hard to hit rule, as snapshots. Automatic-hitting attacks are not being resolved as snap shots, and hence can not meet the requirement to bypass hard to hit.

I think it is a little weak, but I don't see anything else that would prevent you from enacting Striking attack against a flyer. Turbo-boost clearly states you move over all other models, the model interaction rules for flyers has nothing disallowing something going overhead and the slashing attack restrictions doesn't prevent flyers from being targeted.

However it is more likely an overlooked situation and I wish we had more of a definitive FAQ answer then 'Yes' to a single situation when other abilities clearly have the same potential.

Let's be careful with the pejorative terms, please. It doesn't take much "rules lawyering" to read the FAQ:

Q: How do maelstroms, novas and beams – or indeed any weapon
that doesn’t need to roll To Hit or hits automatically – interact with
Zooming Flyers and Swooping Flying Monstrous Creatures? (p13)
A: Only Snap Shots can hit Zooming Flyers and Swooping
Flying Monstrous Creatures. Therefore, any attacks that use
blast markers, templates, create a line of/area of effect or
otherwise don’t roll to hit cannot target them. This includes
weapons such as the Necron Doom Scythe’s death ray or the
Deathstrike missile of the Imperial Guard, and psychic
powers that follow the rule for maelstroms, beams, and
novas.

So unless you're arguing that the Screamers are somehow not making an attack, a negative answer is pretty straightforward.

Thanks, I do have a tendency to overlook some section or other and FAQ's are worse for that. That one you quoted answers the question quite clearly for the negative. It is a problem with some other auto-hit abilities in a handful of other situations as well, so that strengthens other arguments.