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The Thunderhawk entry in IA Aeronautica describes it this way:

"Units disembarking from a Thunderhawk may assault on the same turn"

Does this overrule the "coming from reserve" rule from the BRB?

Meaning: can I place the Thunderhawk on the board when it comes in from reserve in Hover mode and have infantry disembark and assault right away? Or will they have to wait at least 1 turn?

Let me know what you think.

Have to wait at least a turn.

Well the models in the Thunedrhawk can not disembark the turn the Thawk arrives as the Thawk will have moved over 6 inches.

Also if they were able to disembark there are two rules preventing them from assaulting.

1) Disembarking from a transport vehicle
2) Arriving from reserve.

The Thunedrhawks rule only overrides one of these.

Ok, I appreciate the clarification.

 DeathReaper wrote:
The Thunedrhawks rule only overrides one of these.

Not true. This is NOT the "assault vehicle" special rule, it's an entirely different rule. It doesn't say "may assault as normal", "may ignore the ban on assaulting out of a vehicle", etc. It just says "may assault". So this overrules all general restrictions on assaulting, and a unit that disembarks from a Thunderhawk may assault.

I never said it was the assault vehicle rule, and It really does not.

The dudes inside can not even disembark if they move over 6 inches, so it is a moot point anyway.

If a Valkyrie can't make it onto the table with a 6" move, there's no way a Thunderhawk can...

 Peregrine wrote:
Not true. This is NOT the "assault vehicle" special rule, it's an entirely different rule. It doesn't say "may assault as normal", "may ignore the ban on assaulting out of a vehicle", etc. It just says "may assault". So this overrules all general restrictions on assaulting, and a unit that disembarks from a Thunderhawk may assault.

The logic in this is flawed. Would you allow the same unit to assault through impassable terrain? You've still disembarked from the Thunderhawk, after all.

Can the ThunderHawk hover?

Yes, yes it can.

Irrelevant anyway, was just wondering if it could be possible to even pull it off.

While the Thunderhawk rule defiantly overrides the limitation on charging from transport the unit within still deployed that turn. Nothing in the Thunderhawk rules address page 125's ban on charging. While codex does trump rulebook, the rule in question has to be directly opposed to something stated in the rule book. There is no conflict between a rule which is effectively "assault vehicles" allowing a charge, and the rules preventing charging on the turn you deployed.

 Super Ready wrote:
The logic in this is flawed. Would you allow the same unit to assault through impassable terrain? You've still disembarked from the Thunderhawk, after all.

No, because it says you may assault. It does NOT say that you may successfully assault anything you want. Failed charges are still failed charges.


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 DeathReaper wrote:
The dudes inside can not even disembark if they move over 6 inches, so it is a moot point anyway.

Jump infantry can disembark in a drop run, and then assault.

Drop run uses the rules for Deep Strike right?

Therefore no assaulting.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Drop run uses the rules for Deep Strike right?

Therefore no assaulting.

Except the Thunderhawk says "if you disembark you may assault". Specific overrules general.

Except that does not over ride the the rules about reserves or Deep Striking, just disembarking.

Do not ignore the context of the disembarking and assaulting rule of the Thawk.

May assault vs cannot assault. A specific restriction always overrides a specific permission.

Sorry about that, reread your post again and see that you are unlikely trying to make an argument that we have a conflict of rules occurring, so therefore the permission wins as it was granted by a codex. I am still going to keep my post up though, simply so other people who think there is a conflict can read it. Again, sorry about that.

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Only problem here is the specific rule is not in direct conflict with the general rule and only when you have a conflict does page 7 come into play.

A conflict in rules is not when the outcome would very from what one rule states. Conflicts in the rules occur when one rule gives you permission and a second rule is denying you permission for the exact same thing. If you can still apply both rules separately, without needing one to override the other to resolve, you have no conflict even if the outcome is different to expected.

In this case there are two rules denying the ability to charge and permission to override then is needed for both. You have overwritten one lot of permissions but you still lack the ability to address the second group of permissions. So while you have all the permission you want to charge after disembarking, you just can't do it on the turn you deploy because you do not have specific permission to do that.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Do not ignore the context of the disembarking and assaulting rule of the Thawk.

I don't think he's ignoring it. This looks like a disagreement about the 'intent' of the author. Those of the permissive position (like Peregrine) read less into it than you. Sadly, even context is often subjective in a game like 40k.

Either way the restriction is nothing to do with the Thunderhawk.
The unit has arrived from reserve. THAT is what is forcing the assault restriction. If they disembarked from a Thunderhawk or not is irrelevent.
The Thunderhawk rules make no mention of removing this restriction.

 grendel083 wrote:
Either way the restriction is nothing to do with the Thunderhawk.
The unit has arrived from reserve. THAT is what is forcing the assault restriction. If they disembarked from a Thunderhawk or not is irrelevent.
The Thunderhawk rules make no mention of removing this restriction.

Exactly this.

The Thawk removes the restriction for disembarkation and assault, not anything else.

I though that the thunderhawk was a "orbital lander", something like a deep striking flyer without scattering. I'll be checking it when I get home. It still would have to fly for one turn before allowed to hover and start deploying units.