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Russia wants to protect its traditional values and society and here is an overwhelming vote in favor of that.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russian-parliament-vote-anti-gay-bill-19370947#.UbfS65z6vdU

A bill that stigmatizes gay people and bans giving children any information about homosexuality won overwhelming approval Tuesday in Russia's lower house of parliament.

Hours before the State Duma passed the Kremlin-backed law in a 436-0 vote with one abstention, more than two dozen protesters were attacked by hundreds of anti-gay activists and then detained by police.

The bill banning the "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations" still needs to be passed by the appointed upper house and signed into law by President Vladimir Putin, but neither step is in doubt.

The measure is part of an effort to promote traditional Russian values instead of Western liberalism, which the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church see as corrupting Russian youth and contributing to the protests against Putin's rule.

The only parliament member to abstain Tuesday was Ilya Ponomaryov, who has supported anti-Putin protesters despite belonging to a pro-Kremlin party.

A widespread hostility to homosexuality is shared by much of Russia's political and religious elite. Lawmakers have accused gays of decreasing Russia's already low birth rates and said they should be barred from government jobs, undergo forced medical treatment or be exiled.
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The State Duma passed another bill on Tuesday that makes offending religious feelings a crime punishable by up to three years in prison. The legislation, which passed 308-2, was introduced last year after three members of the Pussy Riot punk group were convicted of "hooliganism motivated by religious hatred" for an impromptu anti-Putin protest inside Moscow's main cathedral and given two-year sentences.

Both bills drew condemnation from Amnesty International.

"They represent a sorry attempt by the government to bolster its popularity by pandering to the most reactionary elements of Russian society — at the expense of fundamental rights and the expression of individual identities," John Dalhuisen, the human rights group's Europe and Central Asia program director, said in a statement.

Before the anti-gay vote, rights activists attempted to hold a "kissing rally" outside the State Duma, located across the street from Red Square in central Moscow, but they were attacked by hundreds of Orthodox Christian activists and members of pro-Kremlin youth groups. The mostly burly young men with closely cropped hair pelted the activists with eggs, shouting obscenities and homophobic slurs at them.

Riot police moved in, detaining more than two dozen protesters, almost all of them gay rights activists. Some who were not detained were beaten by masked men on another central street.

The legislation will impose hefty fines for providing information about the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community to minors or holding gay pride rallies. Those breaking the law will be fined up to 5,000 rubles ($156) for an individual and up to 1 million rubles ($31,000) for a company, including media organizations.

Foreign citizens arrested under the new law can be deported or jailed for up to 15 days and then deported. European gay rights activists have joined Russians in trying to hold gay pride rallies in Moscow in recent years.

Russia decriminalized homosexuality in 1993, but anti-gay sentiment remains high. Russia also is considering banning citizens of countries that allow same-sex marriage from adopting Russian children.

Earlier Tuesday, dozens of anti-gay activists picketed the Duma. One of them held a poster that read: "Lawmakers, protect the people from perverts!" while others held Orthodox icons and chanted prayers.

Russian and foreign rights activists have decried the bill as violating basic rights.

"Russia is trying very hard to make discrimination look respectable by calling it 'tradition,' but whatever term is used in the bill, it remains discrimination and a violation of the basic human rights of LGBT people," Graeme Reid, the LGBT rights program director at Human Rights Watch, said Tuesday in a statement.

Lyudmila Alexeyeva, one of Russia's oldest and most prominent rights activists, called the law "a step toward the Middle Ages."

"In normal countries, no one persecutes representatives of sexual minorities," Alexeyeva told the Interfax news agency. "A modern person knows that these people are different from the rest just like a brunette is different from a blonde. They are not guilty of anything."

Russian officials have rejected the criticism. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov defended the bill in February, saying that Russia doesn't have any international or European commitment to "allow the propaganda of homosexuality."

An executive with a Russian government-run television network said in a nationally televised talk show that gays should be prohibited from donating blood, sperm or organs for transplants, and after their deaths their hearts should be burned or buried.

The bill's adoption comes 20 years after a Stalinist-era law punishing homosexuality with up to five years in prison was removed from Russia's penal code as part of democratic reforms that followed the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.

   
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I hope you're being sarcastic with the 'protecting society' part.
   
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 LoneLictor wrote:
I hope you're being sarcastic with the 'protecting society' part.


It is literally the truth there in Russia as almost every single lawmaker there has voted for a bill that in short demonizes and penalizes people who try and teach or preach understanding about people with non-heterosexual preferences driven in part to make sure the Orthodox church isn't offended and to protect a society from Western liberalism.

   
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"Literally' every lawmaker backing an bill that suppresses human rights doesn't make it right, and the traditional value seems to be that of the Cold War: gulags, oppression of viewpoints, and civil manipulation.

Fiver rubles say Putin doesn't give a gak one way or the other, just playing the crowd.

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 Ahtman wrote:
"Literally' every lawmaker backing an bill that suppresses human rights doesn't make it right, and the traditional value seems to be that of the Cold War: gulags, oppression of viewpoints, and civil manipulation.


I'd say less the Cold War and more to spite America. Russia knows it will not challenge the United States anytime too soon, but it also knows it cannot lose its home turf to American influence abroad. What better way to make sure Russia doesn't become the 51st state than just do the opposite of what Americans do (aside from the capitalist parts that is)?

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I'm not sure becoming Kansas makes them not the 51st state.

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 Ahtman wrote:
"Literally' every lawmaker backing an bill that suppresses human rights doesn't make it right, and the traditional value seems to be that of the Cold War: gulags, oppression of viewpoints, and civil manipulation.

Fiver rubles say Putin doesn't give a gak one way or the other, just playing the crowd.


Putin gives a gak because it's just one more avenue of control he can use.

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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Putin gives a gak because it's just one more avenue of control he can use.


Caring about staying in power and manipulating people doesn't require one to care about the tools used to go about it. Putin doesn't have to actually care about gay issues (and I don't think he does) to use them as a tool to further his own agenda.

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 WarOne wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
"Literally' every lawmaker backing an bill that suppresses human rights doesn't make it right, and the traditional value seems to be that of the Cold War: gulags, oppression of viewpoints, and civil manipulation.


I'd say less the Cold War and more to spite America. Russia knows it will not challenge the United States anytime too soon, but it also knows it cannot lose its home turf to American influence abroad. What better way to make sure Russia doesn't become the 51st state than just do the opposite of what Americans do (aside from the capitalist parts that is)?


Opposite? Conservative republicans are crying right now because Putin did what they could not. New right wing slogan, Russia is doing it, lets be like them

 
   
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 purplefood wrote:
Note: Do not go to Russia. It is not a nice place.

I lived there for a while and thoroughly enjoyed it, though you're right in that it's not particularly "nice."

I also think you guys are reading too much into this. I don't think it's about control or manipulation. I think a majority of Russians have a problem with male homosexuality, and their Duma voted accordingly.
   
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 Ahtman wrote:
"Literally' every lawmaker backing an bill that suppresses human rights doesn't make it right, and the traditional value seems to be that of the Cold War: gulags, oppression of viewpoints, and civil manipulation.

Fiver rubles say Putin doesn't give a gak one way or the other, just playing the crowd.


People are assuming Russia still has independent lawmakers. hahahhah what we have now is the old style communist dictatorship without the commie part.


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Well....we be seeing quite a bit of immigration from Russia lately...


And its turned out so well.

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An executive with a Russian government-run television network said in a nationally televised talk show that gays should be prohibited from donating blood, sperm or organs for transplants, and after their deaths their hearts should be burned or buried.

Was the executive sure that he was thinking about gays, and not vampires?

 
   
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 WarOne wrote:


bans giving children any information about homosexuality


Honestly, I agree with this. I think being gay is something where if you are, you are, not something to brag about. Why should children be taught about it? If they are gay, then I absolutely believe they shouldn't be talking about around school at that age, not because I don't think it's right, but it would lead to bullying in the future for the child I think. At least that's what I got from this, I really hope they aren't trying to make it A-okay to tell children to come be gay because people feel bad for you or whatever.

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I agree, children should also not be taught anything slightly heterosexual.

Prestor Jon wrote:
Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
 
   
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 Shredsmore wrote:
Honestly, I agree with this. I think being gay is something where if you are, you are, not something to brag about. Why should children be taught about it? If they are gay, then I absolutely believe they shouldn't be talking about around school at that age, not because I don't think it's right, but it would lead to bullying in the future for the child I think. At least that's what I got from this, I really hope they aren't trying to make it A-okay to tell children to come be gay because people feel bad for you or whatever.

You don't teach people to "come be gay"
What about teenagers (say 16+) discovering their sexuality who can't talk to people about it, or get support if they feel isolated because those giving the advice will be punished? If that teenager goes to a sympathetic parent for advice and the parent gives any encouragement they've committed an offence and may be punished. You'd rather they were pushed to the periphery of society and be punished for their sexuality for life rather than be bullied in school? Also there is a blanket ban on hosting gay rights rallies, or gay pride parades, or did you miss these snippets?

Lawmakers have accused gays of decreasing Russia's already low birth rates and said they should be barred from government jobs, undergo forced medical treatment or be exiled.


The legislation will impose hefty fines for providing information about the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community to minors or holding gay pride rallies. Those breaking the law will be fined up to 5,000 rubles ($156) for an individual and up to 1 million rubles ($31,000) for a company, including media organizations.


Russia decriminalized homosexuality in 1993, but anti-gay sentiment remains high. Russia also is considering banning citizens of countries that allow same-sex marriage from adopting Russian children.

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I would rather they weren't "pushed" but "punished". They are of course promoting a very catchable and evil lifestyle that is eroding values.

Prestor Jon wrote:
Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
 
   
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 MrDwhitey wrote:
I agree, children should also not be taught anything slightly heterosexual.


Here's a concept: teach them math, science, English (or the local equivalent), discourse (debate, logic, speechmaking), basic economics, basic government, a foreign language, and history. Skip everything else as the nonsense it is.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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 Frazzled wrote:
 MrDwhitey wrote:
I agree, children should also not be taught anything slightly heterosexual.


Here's a concept: teach them math, science, English (or the local equivalent), discourse (debate, logic, speechmaking), basic economics, basic government, a foreign language, and history. Skip everything else as the nonsense it is.

Math and economics are both incredibly heterosexual.

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Russia is just disgusting me. No freedom of speech, no democracy, killing, torturing and imprisoning political opponents, huge social injustice and now this. Russia is back to the middle ages again...

...inb4 Putin burning red-haired women at the stake!

   
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 purplefood wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 MrDwhitey wrote:
I agree, children should also not be taught anything slightly heterosexual.


Here's a concept: teach them math, science, English (or the local equivalent), discourse (debate, logic, speechmaking), basic economics, basic government, a foreign language, and history. Skip everything else as the nonsense it is.

Math and economics are both incredibly heterosexual.


Not sure if serious....

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 Frazzled wrote:
 MrDwhitey wrote:
I agree, children should also not be taught anything slightly heterosexual.


Here's a concept: teach them math, science, English (or the local equivalent), discourse (debate, logic, speechmaking), basic economics, basic government, a foreign language, and history. Skip everything else as the nonsense it is.


Have you not read the article? It is about far more than schools. Just for wearing a shirt (not even in school) that says "I like guys" you can spend some time in jail.

People act in a heterosexual way in non-verbal language all the time, as well as coded language but we don't notice it because it is the norm for the majority of people. It is like a fish not realizing it is in water because that is all it knows and is used to. It isn't as if there is neutral cultural cues and then gay ones, there are a myriad of them, with straight ones being so common as to all but invisible.

Besides, we all know this is all Pussy Riots fault.

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 Ahtman wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 MrDwhitey wrote:
I agree, children should also not be taught anything slightly heterosexual.


Here's a concept: teach them math, science, English (or the local equivalent), discourse (debate, logic, speechmaking), basic economics, basic government, a foreign language, and history. Skip everything else as the nonsense it is.


Have you not read the article? It is about far more than schools. Just for wearing a shirt (not even in school) that says "I like guys" you can spend some time in jail.

I was addressing the post noted only.



People act in a heterosexual way in non-verbal language all the time, as well as coded language but we don't notice it because it is the norm for the majority of people. It is like a fish not realizing it is in water because that is all it knows and is used to. It isn't as if there is neutral cultural cues and then gay ones, there are a myriad of them, with straight ones being so common as to all but invisible.

Ok, accepted on its face. And? I get lots of nonverbal cues about how unique my intellience is by those around me. Doesn't stop me...

Besides, we all know this is all Pussy Riots fault.

Yep.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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 Frazzled wrote:
 MrDwhitey wrote:
I agree, children should also not be taught anything slightly heterosexual.


Here's a concept: teach them math, science, English (or the local equivalent), discourse (debate, logic, speechmaking), basic economics, basic government, a foreign language, and history. Skip everything else as the nonsense it is.


Why only teach them traditional subjects, when we could also manage to teach them not to be intolerant to other people whether they like who they are or not? In this way, we may actually manage to move forwards, instead of sticking fingers in children's ears and humming loudly when an LGBT person walks by.

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I should have thought if bullying is bad it should be punished and discouraged.

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No no no, being different is what's bad and should be punished.

Prestor Jon wrote:
Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
 
   
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Crystal-Maze wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 MrDwhitey wrote:
I agree, children should also not be taught anything slightly heterosexual.


Here's a concept: teach them math, science, English (or the local equivalent), discourse (debate, logic, speechmaking), basic economics, basic government, a foreign language, and history. Skip everything else as the nonsense it is.


Why only teach them traditional subjects, when we could also manage to teach them not to be intolerant to other people whether they like who they are or not? In this way, we may actually manage to move forwards, instead of sticking fingers in children's ears and humming loudly when an LGBT person walks by.


Because thats a blah blah issue and most schools can't get the basics down. I'd like to teach them gun safety, how to ride a motorcycle, boxing, art history, and the basics of accounting too. But only when your school system is #1 in the world, can you worry about nonessentials.


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Crystal-Maze wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 MrDwhitey wrote:
I agree, children should also not be taught anything slightly heterosexual.


Here's a concept: teach them math, science, English (or the local equivalent), discourse (debate, logic, speechmaking), basic economics, basic government, a foreign language, and history. Skip everything else as the nonsense it is.


Why only teach them traditional subjects, when we could also manage to teach them not to be intolerant to other people whether they like who they are or not? In this way, we may actually manage to move forwards, instead of sticking fingers in children's ears and humming loudly when an LGBT person walks by.


What if I want them to be intolerant? What if I want them to hate the other side with the burning passion of a thousand white hot suns, you know like your average left wing poster does.

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Ethics is not a non-essential, but it needs to be taught at home first before it can be taught further in school.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Ethics is not a non-essential, but it needs to be taught at home first before it can be taught further in school.


Why do you think a school can teach ethics, or the ethics you prescribe to?

I mean after all, isn't that what the Russians just did?

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