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I wanted to see what everyone though of my list that I might run in a tournament in a few weeks. I am right at 1850 with this list but I am open for suggestions and comments. My local meta has some Tau, Chaos Daemons, Chaos Space Marines, Grey Knights, Space Wolves, and Necrons. I know that I am really going to struggle with fliers but DA don't have a tremendous amount of anti-air. My thoughts on this list is that Sammael and one command squad does their thing and the Interrogator-Chaplian is with the other command squad. Ideally, I would like the Chaplian and his command squad to be rapid firing their plasma then charging. With re-rolling to hit thanks to the Chaplian, his MoR and the Hammers I think I have a pretty solid assault unit. Then they just hit and run thanks to the banner. Rinse and repeat. Hopefully The one tac squad just holds an objectivw in the back field and shoots anything that gets into range. The bikes will just shoot up whatever they can see with the outflanking attack bikes to pick off some vehicles. The devastators are just going to sit in cover and try to blow up stuff. The speeders try to either stay as far away as possible or stay close to the darkshroud for some cover. If you guys think of anything that would improve this list please let me know. Thanks!

HQ:

* Sammael (200pts)
JetBike

* Interrogator-Chaplain (160pts)
Mace of Redemption, Bike

* Ravenwing Command Squad (295pts)
5x Black Knight, Standard of Devastation, Apothecary, Grenade Launcher

* Ravenwing Command Squad (245pts)
5x Black Knight, Apothecary, Ravenwing Company Banner, Grenade Launcher

Troops:

* Ravenwing Attack Squadron (Troops) (135pts)
+2 Ravenwing Bikers, Attack Bike with Multi Melta

* Ravenwing Attack Squadron (Troops) (135pts)
+2 Ravenwing Bikers,Meltagun, Attack Bike with Multi Melta

* Ravenwing Attack Squadron (Troops) (135pts)
+2 Ravenwing Bikers,Meltagun, Attack Bike with Multi Melta

* Tactical Squad
10 man, one with a flamer

Fast Attack:
* Ravenwing Darkshroud (80pts)
Heavy Bolter

* Ravenwing Support Squadron (150pts)
* Land Speeder
Heavy Bolter, Typhoon Missile Launcher
* Land Speeder
Heavy Bolter, Typhoon Missile Launcher

Heavy Support:

* Devastator Squad (150pts)
4x Lascannon

Looks pretty solid. I'd consider dropping the dark shroud in order to get an additoinal melta in each melta bike squad and some more ablative wounds on the devs.

Looking at your points, are those bike squads only 3 man strong?

Oh good catch Kisada, those points are way off.

Oh wow, good catch. I will re-work this list a little bit later. My fault.


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Updated list because I can't count Let me know what you guys think. Thanks!


HQ:

• Sammael (200pts)
Corvex (Jetbike)

• Interrogator-Chaplain (160pts)
Mace of Redemption, Bike

• Ravenwing Command Squad (245pts)
5x Black Knight, Apothecary Ravenwing Company Banner, Grenade Launcher

• Ravenwing Command Squad (295pts)
5x Black Knight, Devastation, Apothecary, Grenade Launcher


Troops:

• Ravenwing Attack Squadron (199pts)
5 bikes, one meltagun, Attack Bike with Multi-melta


• Ravenwing Attack Squadron (209 pts)
5 bikes, two meltaguns, Attack Bike with Multi-melta

• Ravenwing Attack Squadron (209 pts)
5 bikes, two meltaguns, Attack Bike with Multi-melta

• Tactical Squad (75pts)
One with Flamer

Fast Attack:

• Ravenwing Darkshroud (80pts)
Heavy Bolter


Heavy Support:

• Devastator Squad (178pts)
4 Lascannons, + 2 more marines.

Special weapons in bike squads only make sense in this context:

3 bikes, 2 meltaguns + 1 MM Attack bike = outflank them.

Or a similar version with flamers if you face a lot of xenos.

Plasma never makes sense because RWCS/RWBK do plasma better and have all the other extra goodies.

If you put special weapons in your regular squads that run with the banner, you are very rarely going to get to use them efficiently. It's one less Salvo 4 bolter firing. Not good, especially as you start to lose models.

Personally, I haven't found the dark shroud to be worth it. Helldrakes are our main enemy and they ignore cover anyway. I would lose the Darkshroud and with the points saved from that, get an additional 3-bike squad with melta and an attack bike MM to outflank.

You can use the money saved from the other special weapons you take out for more dev ablative wounds, or another bolter bike.

I'd add that a Librarian would be a major improvement over the Chaplain. For 5 less points, you could have a Level 2 psyker with a Bike, Power Field Generator, and an Auspex, all of which can buff his squad a lot more than the Chaplain.

Drop the Chaplain for the Lvl 2 Librarian with Staff, Lvl 2, Auspex and PFG.

Drop the Tac marines for more bikes.

RAS should be 3-man, 1-meltagun.

Not sure what Devs are for. Take Black Knights or more Bikes.

If you need AA, take Contemptors.

Thanks everyone for the comments. Lots of good ideas.

I don't think we are allowed to use forge world for the tournament so that's why I haven't included any of them in my list.

Asmodai, do you think 5 (3-man) bike squads or 6 (3-man) would be better. Also why the Staff on the Librarian over an Ax? or Sword.

Kemp wrote:
Thanks everyone for the comments. Lots of good ideas.

I don't think we are allowed to use forge world for the tournament so that's why I haven't included any of them in my list.

Asmodai, do you think 5 (3-man) bike squads or 6 (3-man) would be better. Also why the Staff on the Librarian over an Ax? or Sword.

3 Man, more versatility when distributing salvo fire, more precision shots. more chump challengers, more resilient to fire. Makes your points nice and even as well (you get some weird additional 2 points adding 2 RW bikers.)

Ah, then Flakk missile devs? Ugh, crap.

Staff because Str 6 I4. Force axe wastes init, you already have plenty of AP2 firepower from the RWBKs. You can ID and wound everything else on a 2+. He shouldn't be in combat really, unless it's something squishy.

Also useful for ID Daemons.

Thanks for your input, really helps me going forward. Well I think this list is pretty solid using your advice. I only have two meltaguns on bikes so I am only taking two. Going to try to make it a dedicated anti-vehicle squad. Everything has to be WYSIWYG so I am trying my best to make a list with what I have. Anyways let me know what you think. Comes out to 1849/1850.

HQ:
* Sammael (200pts)
Corvex (Jetbike)

* Librarian (155pts)
Bike, Psyker level 2, Auspex, PFG, Force Stave

* Ravenwing Command Squad (245pts)
5x Black Knight, Apothecary, Ravenwing Company Banner, Grenade Launcher

* Ravenwing Command Squad (295pts)
5x Black Knight, Devastation (65pts),Apothecary, Grenade Launcher

Troops:
* Ravenwing Attack Squadron (Troops) (80pts)

* Ravenwing Attack Squadron (Troops) (80pts)

* Ravenwing Attack Squadron (Troops) (135pts)
- Attack Bike with Multi Melta

* Ravenwing Attack Squadron (Troops) (135pts)
- Attack Bike with Multi Melta

* Ravenwing Attack Squadron (Troops) (160pts)
- Attack Bike with Multi Melta, 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Melta Bombs

Fast Attack:
* Ravenwing Darkshroud (80pts)
Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support:
* Devastator Squad (184pts)
- 4 Missile Launchers with Flakk, one extra marine to mount the Quad-Gun

Fortifications:
* Aegis Defense Line (100pts)
With Quad-Gun

This is gonna play a lot like Dark Eldar. You hit crazy hard but your low model count makes you like paper mache. You have 15 RAS bikes at 1850. I'd still rather have 3 more bikes than a Darkshroud. Helldrakes are your enemy and ignore cover anyway.

Other than that, looks like a helluva lot of fun to play. We want battle reports!