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the eldar jetbike
can use
Battle focus?

Can they run?

If not, what does the Battle Focus rule say when a model can't run?

of course not, but they rule the Battle focus
Where is the oversight?
Battle in focus
or in the eldar jetbike?

Personally I think it's there for completeness.
All (non-wraith) Eldar have Battle Focus.

There's no oversight. They have the rule for completionists sake and so that a non-bike IC attached to the unit can use Battle Focus.

I just assumed it meant they could turbo-boost after shooting.

rigeld2 wrote:
There's no oversight. They have the rule for completionists sake and so that a non-bike IC attached to the unit can use Battle Focus.

He wouldn't be able to, as there are models in the unit that can't run, and running is done by a unit, not by model as in movement phase.

 grendel083 wrote:
Personally I think it's there for completeness.
All (non-wraith) Eldar have Battle Focus.

Besides Dark Reapers, ofc.

Iranna.

Indeed, bikes cannot run and Battle Focus specifically says models/units that cannot run gain no benefit from Battle Focus...Pretty cut and dry.

Was this not already asked and answered in another thread a week or so ago?

I remember someone within pointing out that it could also be for those few times where you can mix a jet-bike into an infantry unit. They highlighted that this is a 'all models in the unit or none' rule, forgive me I still don't have a codex, and pointed out it could very well be to ensure mixed-type units are not penalized. Though, in such a situation you would have to not fire with the bike in order to move it, or end up with a conga line as you still have to keep coherence.

The Ork codex originally was printed giving Ork Bikers the Waaagh special rule, despite the fact that in 4th ed (when it was first printed) and 5th ed, it has absolutely no benefit to non-Infantry units. They errata'd it later to remove it.

Either Jetbikes have it because GW's editors are incompetent, or they're going to tell us in the FAQ that they're actually allowed to use it with Turbo-boost. Probably the former, rather than the latter.

They can't use BF unless GW FAQs it.

Maybe they just printed it there because the riders are normal guardians after all and they have battle focus? But yeah, like many have said, they gain no benefits from this.

Wait what? Ive been turbo boosting my jetbikes, firing, dismounting and then fire then run(battlefocus), then assaulting. You mean I cant do this?

No, you cannot do this. How are you dismounting?

Basimpo wrote:
Wait what? Ive been turbo boosting my jetbikes, firing, dismounting and then fire then run(battlefocus), then assaulting. You mean I cant do this?

You can't do any of that.

You can't fire after Turbo Boosting
There are no rules for dismounting bike units
You can't run with bikes so you can't use battle focus
You can't assault after Turbo Boosting OR Running (whether using battle focus or not).

So basically other than the initial turbo-boost, everything you have done is illegal.

 Drunkspleen wrote:

Basimpo wrote:
Wait what? Ive been turbo boosting my jetbikes, firing, dismounting and then fire then run(battlefocus), then assaulting. You mean I cant do this?

You can't do any of that.

You can't fire after Turbo Boosting
There are no rules for dismounting bike units
You can't run with bikes so you can't use battle focus
You can't assault after Turbo Boosting OR Running (whether using battle focus or not).

So basically other than the initial turbo-boost, everything you have done is illegal.

I assumed he was joking...

The earlier less than fluent english turned my sarcasm detectors off.

Or at least, that seems as good an excuse as any.

I think it´s simply there because all eldar have it.

And no, jetbikes can´t run, so they can´t use battle focus. As much as it pains me

I could buy the 'all eldar have it' line if Dark Reapers had it.

Really the only explanation that possibly makes sense is the jetbike leading infantry thing.

Dark reapers are slow and purposeful therefor can't have it as they cannot. Run, and with what 48 inch shooting do they really need it? Common sense people. Bikes can still move 12 shoot and move 2 d.6 in the assault phase, they are fine.

Yes but the whole point was jetbikes can't use it so why do they have it? Some people said all Eldar have it, but all Eldar don't have it.

Lol totally forgot i wrote that yeah i was just joking

 shamikebab wrote:

Really the only explanation that possibly makes sense is the jetbike leading infantry thing.

If there's a jetbike in a unit of infantry, no one in the unit can run.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 shamikebab wrote:

Really the only explanation that possibly makes sense is the jetbike leading infantry thing.

If there's a jetbike in a unit of infantry, no one in the unit can run.

No? Not a clue then, crazy GW.

I can't imagine myself ever trying that but what expressly forbids that anyway? I was under the impression different unit types could move as normal as long as the stayed in coherency?

Different unit types can use their own movement when joined together. The models which can run can still run when joined to a unit which can't. If, for example, you have a Cavalry model joined to a unit of bikes, he can run while they Turbo, as long as they stay in coherency.

Units choose to run. Not models.

 Mannahnin wrote:
Different unit types can use their own movement when joined together. The models which can run can still run when joined to a unit which can't. If, for example, you have a Cavalry model joined to a unit of bikes, he can run while they Turbo, as long as they stay in coherency.

Yet the rules say a unit Runs, and a jetbike cannot Run. A unit Turboboosts, but a Cav model cannot turboboost. So does one model not being able to do it not mean the unit is now no longer running / turboboosting?

"Bikes and jetbikes cannot run". That's the prohibition in the Bike rules, and it certainly doesn't apply to a non-bike model.

The Run rule gives the simple form, without reference to mixed units, however we know that Running and Turbo-Boosting follow the rules for movement except where otherwise specified. And the general rule for movement is that individual models which move differently within the same unit are allowed to user their own modes of movement now, as long as they stay in coherency.

Yet the question still remains - the unit is required to Run. Does a single model not running mean the unit would not be running?