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Disbeliever of the Greater Good





A poor ethereal is the sole remaining member of his entourage of pathfinders. He fails his morale check twice (once during the enemy shooting phase and one when attempting to regroup.) He runs 11 inches. This fallback move puts him within 2 inches of another squad of pathfinders. Now on the following enemy shooting phase is he an eligible target to be shot, or is he considered to have joined the squad by virtue of being in coherency?
   
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest





Stevenage, UK

I don't have the rulebook handy, and can't remember perfectly. Normally this hinges on whether ICs join units at the end of *a* movement phase, or at the end of *your*/*the owning player's* movement phase.
If it's the former, then he joins the unit. If it's the latter, he's still a part of the former unit which can be targeted separately.

However, in your example you've already gone through your movement phase because we know he's attempted to regroup and fallen back - so he's definitely joined the unit in this case.

"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch  
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




Falling back ICs dont join or leave units.
   
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Sinewy Scourge




When his pathfinders all die he reverts to IC status, as a different unit no morale check is required I think.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




Incorrect, he is still a falling back unit. You think incorrectly
   
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Sinewy Scourge




If he was falling back when the last one was killed, sure, I was referring to the initial morale check when the squad is wiped out. He is not a falling back unit at that point. I may still be wrong, however.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




He was a member of a unit that required a morale check, so he still takes it.
   
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Sinewy Scourge




Cool, thanks for the clarification. I've had the opposite argued against me, but as my ICs are so crap they tend to die before the squad its never really come up when I've been shot at.

Could you tell me how you come to that conclusion so I can refute the argument in future?
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




Page 39, IC rules. Member of the unit for all rules purposes. Morale is a rule.
   
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Sinewy Scourge




The argument presented to me is that they are no longer a member of he unit once the unit is wiped out and thus, as a distinct unit, do not have to take the morale test.

I'm not sure that your argument in itself is enough to refuge that, but I'll give it a go and see what response I get.
   
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator




Drager wrote:
The argument presented to me is that they are no longer a member of he unit once the unit is wiped out and thus, as a distinct unit, do not have to take the morale test.

I'm not sure that your argument in itself is enough to refuge that, but I'll give it a go and see what response I get.


p39 states he doesn't become a unit of one model until the start of the next phase, so he would still test for fall back if reduced to one model, but at the start of his following turn he can regroup at full LD.

 
   
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Sinewy Scourge




Thanks, do 't know how I kept missing that!
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




spongemonkee wrote:
Drager wrote:
The argument presented to me is that they are no longer a member of he unit once the unit is wiped out and thus, as a distinct unit, do not have to take the morale test.

I'm not sure that your argument in itself is enough to refuge that, but I'll give it a go and see what response I get.


p39 states he doesn't become a unit of one model until the start of the next phase, so he would still test for fall back if reduced to one model, but at the start of his following turn he can regroup at full LD.

An IC always lets a falling back unit regroup at full Ld - a nice change to 6th edition
   
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest





Stevenage, UK

I wasn't aware that falling back ICs can't join or leave units - if true, thanks for pointing it out. This would mean the IC doesn't automatically leave the unit at the end of the Movement phase. They'd have to keep falling back as a unit of their own until they either pass a regroup or fall back off the board...

"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch  
   
Made in us
Disbeliever of the Greater Good




I found the ruling for it. p 39. I had been looking in Morale and the Character section. Independent Characters cannot join squads while falling back or at least benefit from not being the lone bearer of a "Shoot me" sign,.
   
 
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