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Can a individual model that has split fire use it if its on its own. For example. Can maugan ra fire at two different targets if he uses split fire in conjuntion with fast shot and is on his own.

Thanx

No, as the model fires at a different target to the unit. He cannot fire at a different target to himself.

What nos said.

On a related note. If a unit containing a model with Split Fire want to assault an enemy already locked in combat, they can obviously not shoot at that enemy first. How does this Work with Split Fire? Is he allowed to shoot another target, even if there is no primary target? And if the Split Firer is the only model shooting, is the unit still allowed to assault the enemy locked in combat?

No as well.

In this case it doesn't work according to me. As soon as you target something for shooting, you cannot assault anything you did not target. As clearly you can't target the locked squad, Split Fire becomes useless here.

Baktru wrote:
you cannot assault anything you did not target

I'd have to disagree here, This would mean a unit with no shooting attacks can never assault.
If a unit shoots nothing, they can assault whatever they are able. Only if they shoot something are they restricted by what they can charge.
So if the unit shoots nothing, they have no restrictions.

 grendel083 wrote:

Baktru wrote:
you cannot assault anything you did not target

I'd have to disagree here, This would mean a unit with no shooting attacks can never assault.
If a unit shoots nothing, they can assault whatever they are able. Only if they shoot something are they restricted by what they can charge.
So if the unit shoots nothing, they have no restrictions.

If a unit shoots nothing, I don't think you can use split fire anyway.

cryhavok wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

Baktru wrote:
you cannot assault anything you did not target

I'd have to disagree here, This would mean a unit with no shooting attacks can never assault.
If a unit shoots nothing, they can assault whatever they are able. Only if they shoot something are they restricted by what they can charge.
So if the unit shoots nothing, they have no restrictions.

If a unit shoots nothing, I don't think you can use split fire anyway.

No mention of that in the Split Fire rules. Only that they must target a sperate unit. Not shooting is always an option for a unit, and in the case of melee only units, their only option.

cryhavok wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

Baktru wrote:
you cannot assault anything you did not target

I'd have to disagree here, This would mean a unit with no shooting attacks can never assault.
If a unit shoots nothing, they can assault whatever they are able. Only if they shoot something are they restricted by what they can charge.
So if the unit shoots nothing, they have no restrictions.

If a unit shoots nothing, I don't think you can use split fire anyway.

Exactly.

The unit must shoot per the splitfire rule.

"When a unit that contains at least one model with this special rule shoots,...."

Targeting alone does nothing.


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 grendel083 wrote:

cryhavok wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

Baktru wrote:
you cannot assault anything you did not target

I'd have to disagree here, This would mean a unit with no shooting attacks can never assault.
If a unit shoots nothing, they can assault whatever they are able. Only if they shoot something are they restricted by what they can charge.
So if the unit shoots nothing, they have no restrictions.

If a unit shoots nothing, I don't think you can use split fire anyway.

No mention of that in the Split Fire rules. Only that they must target a sperate unit. Not shooting is always an option for a unit, and in the case of melee only units, their only option.

Is it a special codex rule?

40k-noob wrote:
Is it a special codex rule?

What? Not shooting?
Is not shooting a special codex rule?

 grendel083 wrote:

40k-noob wrote:
Is it a special codex rule?

What? Not shooting?
Is not shooting a special codex rule?

No is Fuegan's rule a special codex rule?

I ask because you said there is no mention of (shooting) in the Split Fire rule when there clearly is. I was wondering if Fuegan had something special to his model.

Edit: spelling

40k-noob wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

40k-noob wrote:
Is it a special codex rule?

What? Not shooting?
Is not shooting a special codex rule?

No is Fuegan's rule a special codex rule?

I ask because you said there is no mention of (shooting) in the Split Fire rule when there clearly is. I was wondering if Fuegan had something special to his model.

I assume its the standard Split Fire rule from the BRB.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I didn't mean there was no mention of shooting.
I meant there's no mention of a unit without ranged attacks not being able to use Split Fire.
(the example being a melee only unit, with an attached IC with a gun)

 grendel083 wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

40k-noob wrote:
Is it a special codex rule?

What? Not shooting?
Is not shooting a special codex rule?

No is Fuegan's rule a special codex rule?

I ask because you said there is no mention of (shooting) in the Split Fire rule when there clearly is. I was wondering if Fuegan had something special to his model.

I assume its the standard Split Fire rule from the BRB.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I didn't mean there was no mention of shooting.
I meant there's no mention of a unit without ranged attacks not being able to use Split Fire.
(the example being a melee only unit, with an attached IC with a gun)

Gotcha.

I think the Melee unit is SOL because the Split Fire specifically says "...shoots,..." IF the unit can't shoot at all, seems like there is no "fire" to split.

But, if the unit has no shooting to begin with why would you even NEED split fire? You just shoot the character at a unit. Now this doesn't help with the original question. IMO the answer is no. You can't claim shooting at something if you don't actually shoot at it. Since you can't shoot into melee then you can't charge a locked opponent if the charactersplit fires at something else.

 grendel083 wrote:

cryhavok wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

Baktru wrote:
you cannot assault anything you did not target

I'd have to disagree here, This would mean a unit with no shooting attacks can never assault.
If a unit shoots nothing, they can assault whatever they are able. Only if they shoot something are they restricted by what they can charge.
So if the unit shoots nothing, they have no restrictions.

If a unit shoots nothing, I don't think you can use split fire anyway.

No mention of that in the Split Fire rules. Only that they must target a sperate unit. Not shooting is always an option for a unit, and in the case of melee only units, their only option.

Split fire requires shooting, ergo, not shooting does not use split fire. Also you can not shoot a different target if there is no other target being shot at. The rule states, "When a unit with at least one model with this special rule shoots, one model in the unit may shoot at a different target to the rest of his unit." If the rest of the unit isn't shooting, you do not have a different target, and are just shooting normally.

cryhavok wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

cryhavok wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

Baktru wrote:
you cannot assault anything you did not target

I'd have to disagree here, This would mean a unit with no shooting attacks can never assault.
If a unit shoots nothing, they can assault whatever they are able. Only if they shoot something are they restricted by what they can charge.
So if the unit shoots nothing, they have no restrictions.

If a unit shoots nothing, I don't think you can use split fire anyway.

No mention of that in the Split Fire rules. Only that they must target a sperate unit. Not shooting is always an option for a unit, and in the case of melee only units, their only option.

Split fire requires shooting, ergo, not shooting does not use split fire. Also you can not shoot a different target if there is no other target being shot at. The rule states, "When a unit with at least one model with this special rule shoots, one model in the unit may shoot at a different target to the rest of his unit." If the rest of the unit isn't shooting, you do not have a different target, and are just shooting normally.

So by this logic, a unit without ranged weapons cannot run. Which we know is not the case.

""In their Shooting phase, units may choose to Run instead of firing.""

Apples and oranges, as split fire requires the unit to shoot whereas running is done instead of shooting.

 Ghaz wrote:
Apples and oranges, as split fire requires the unit to shoot whereas running is done instead of shooting.

unless you are Eldar and have Battlefocus wmahahaha (gawd such a crazy rule)