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Hi

I need help with my tau I want to having a three way battle between my tau an ork army and a dark eldar army.
I know the orks will bring battlewaggens and as many boyz as he can to charge and swamp me in close combat
And the dark eldar likes to use venoms to speed around the board outflanking and drenching me in poison shots
So I need advise on weather to load up with fire warriors and cadre fireblaine behind an aegile defence line with an Icarus lascannon
And let my enemy's run into a hail storme of pulse fire or do I have a mobile army of stealth and crisis suit who can jump shot jump?

All feed back is welcome we normaly have 500-1000point army's

Thanks in advance for your help

Get some long range hard hitting weapons to pop your opponents vehicles at range and make them foot slog which will give your FW plenty of time to whittle them down.

I'm thinking multiple broadsides with rails (that's my preference anyway) a bunch of crisis suits with missile pods or some rail head with submissions.

Cheers for the feed back I thought maybe a riptide with ion acc for range and power plus a big target might draw some fire

 Afro Tau wrote:
Cheers for the feed back I thought maybe a riptide with ion acc for range and power plus a big target might draw some fire

You could nova charge an ion for Ordnance which if your Dark eldar player isnt that smart and clumps up his venom close, and you have a decent amount of marker light support can maybe destroy multiple at a time.
(Auto glance and 2+ on the vehicle chart for ap2 and open top) AND 2d6 for pen roll picking the highest. and ether way even if you fail nova you can st 8 blast or st 7 3 shot a single one which will have a decent chance at pen ing.

True, but a Riptide is very expensive if all you're using it for is a fire magnet. I think the ion riptide is good in pretty much any list though. Especially if there's tons of ork boyz or dark eldar clustered up after you popped their transport (can you say "overkill"). This is one of the times where smart missile system might actually be the best choice for secondary weapon on your riptide. For support systems, I always like the stimulant injector even though it's incredibly expensive, although that is more useful on a burst cannon riptide. Remember, if you can get it up to BS 6 then you get to re-roll the gets hot dice.

Hammerhead railgun with submunitions is another great combo vehicle/horde sweeper. I think longstrike would be a good buy. With the front armor on those battlewagons you need all the help you can get.

I would really really want missile broadsides for weight of fire and utility after transports are gone, but the range makes that a no-go. Stick with rails for general transport removal needs. Make sure to get some of your preferred flavor of markerlight in there. Nothing makes me madder than a railgun that misses (hammerhead or broadside).

I generally use my crisis suits in a way that most people would call "crazy", but for this matchup I would seriously think about: burst cannon, flamer (twin linked?), 2 gun drones and deep strike (maybe one with fusion and target lock if you're really worried about those battlewagons).

Here's the hard part, I really really like ethereal gunlines. Evey army I make is based around a gun line core. But for this matchup I think going suit heavy with a few small firewariror units is the way to go (maybe even transports if you can afford the points).

Also, just throwing it out there that Darkstrider with ion rifle pathfinders can insta-death ork nob bikerz (toughness 5 goes down to 4, str 8 overcharged rifles). That might become relevant.

Great thanks for the idears will play around with some list thanks

One more thing you might want to remember: every time someone's transport gets destroyed they need to take a pinning test (i know that's true if the vehicle blows up, not so sure about death by hull points). They also need to take a morale check at the end of the phase if they took enough casualties (and a pinned unit will get up and start running if they fail).

Just something you might find useful, since railguns against open topped vehicles tends to result in a lot of explosions.

Against Dark Eldar Transports you can go either or on the broadsides, the Rail just makes sure it friggin explode, where the missiles make sure it will get a few dents.

Dont recall their armor values, but even firewarriors can put a dent on their paperplanes.

Besides units i think you should take a look on whats dangerous in a DE army against you and it will be mostly sitting there popping transports and let your firewarriors tear whats left a new one. if they get into melee you might aswell deem that unit doomed and make every unit around it skitter away from it and hope they managed to run far enough.

Where your broadsides are concerned I would go with all missiles all the time. Venoms will get ripped to shreds by the high-yield pods and glanced to death by the SMS. Maybe bring 2 units of Broadsides, 1 with rails to kill battlewagons/nobs/etc, the other with missiles to clean up infantry and venoms. Remember that the SMS has ignore cover, which means no hiding for the venoms and he won't get the 5+ cover save from the Flicker Field.

Venoms with nightshield actually outrange high yield missile pod broadsides with sms. The Flicker Field is a inv save, he still gets that all the time. HYMpods are not the answer for killing venoms. Crisis suits with mpods are much better.