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I am fairly new to the war hammer scene and I stopped by my local shops tournament to learn a bit more. As I was playing with another guy he mentioned that with my heldrake whilst zooming if pivots has to pivot a full 90 degrees (no more no less) before its movement. After returning home and digging back into the rulebook I noticed that under flyers that it states in the core book page 80 under zooming flyers that

"To represent it's limited maneuverability, a zooming flyer can only make a single pivot on the spot of up to 90 degrees before it moves."

Now to me that is clear and cut on what it means. The way I read it is that my held rake may turn less than 90 degrees before movement as the key part in that sentence is UP to 90 degrees. To me that means I can turn him 35 degrees or even 60 degrees as long as I do not go over 90 degrees.


All makes more sense as an individual flying can make slight corrections but if he makes too big of a turn (over 90 degrees) then he will hit the limitations of his craft and crash (in real life)

I hope this all makes sense on what I am attempting to portray here and I am just looking for clarification on if I am able to pivot less than 90 degrees before the turn or if I must make a complete 90 degrees if I wish to pivot at all as the rulebook does state Up to 90 degrees?

Up to 90 degrees is 0 to 90 degrees. If your opponent continues to insist next time he tries to draw LOS with a hull-mounted weapon remind him that it must turn 45 degrees as the rules say it can rotate up to 45 degrees.

Yeah, your opponent is either illiterate or cheating. "Up to 90*" very clearly means anywhere in a range between 0-90*, there's no ambiguity here at all.

As I thought. I just wanted to make sure that I did not miss a FAQ or errata that said otherwise that I may have missed or read over. Thanks for the quick replies.

Yeah this is indeed very clear cut. Up to 90 degrees.

Your problem seems to be not that you were playing with someone who was cheating, but you were both playing without a rulebook to hand. You should never have a game of 40k with somebody that you don't know without having a rulebook handy. Lesson learned!

Yes there's a difference to reading and skimming the rules. He skimmed you read, next time stick to your laurels and show him then ram it down his throat. Err I mean move it where you was going to.