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I have just been offered a DE Wych Cult army and I have no idea how bad or good they are.

The army has the following:

Lelith Hesperax

10 Wyches
Agoniser and Hydrablades
Raider - Dark Lance

10 Wyches
Agoniser and Hydrablades
Raider - Disintegrator

10 Wyches
Agoniser and Hydrablades
Raider - Disintegrator

5 Wyches or Hekatrixes
Venom - Dual Splinter Cannon

5 Wyches or Hekatrixes
Venom - Dual Splinter Cannon

10 Hellions
Agoniser

Ravager
3 Dark Lances

There is also a Talos and a Chronos.

So is this list any good, or will it fall flat on it's face?

Witches can be decent but in general they are not great as a full army.

Problem is assualting is both random and they get shot to pieces. Also then are s3 (unless ou roll well on drugs) and it makes them weak vs heavily armored units.

I personally I think it may be fun to play but you need to add a flyer or at least 1-2 more ravagers.


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Also in that list there is no where for lilith to be as the raiders cant carry more than 10 models

I assume you have the codex? Because some units are fielded wrong, unless you're skipping to mention hekatrix/hellion upgrades. Also I assume you meant hydra gauntlets?

In any case... Wych cult is generally considered nerfed this ed with random charge distance, shorter disembark distance, overwatch, challenges and AP value on CCW... As well as indirect nerf such as even more fragile vehicles, which was previously thought not possible! I think they're still very good for tarpitting, provided you can get close enough. Your list, aside from the errors, needs some working as well, your Lelith is gonna walk on her own? And what're you gonna do in the face of a mech-heavy list? HWG wyches is a good start. Also hellions are terribly hard to run without Baron, way too fragile an unit.

Baronyu wrote:
I assume you have the codex? Because some units are fielded wrong, unless you're skipping to mention hekatrix/hellion upgrades. Also I assume you meant hydra gauntlets?

In any case... Wych cult is generally considered nerfed this ed with random charge distance, shorter disembark distance, overwatch, challenges and AP value on CCW... As well as indirect nerf such as even more fragile vehicles, which was previously thought not possible! I think they're still very good for tarpitting, provided you can get close enough. Your list, aside from the errors, needs some working as well, your Lelith is gonna walk on her own? And what're you gonna do in the face of a mech-heavy list? HWG wyches is a good start. Also hellions are terribly hard to run without Baron, way too fragile an unit.

Yeah, I'm omitting some of the stuff as I had a limited time to post it.

The army is already built as I was going to purchase it 2nd hand from a friend who is downsizing his DE army.

I'll give it a miss.

Aw did I talk a potential DE out? Sorry, but wych cult is gonna be tough to run this ed, fun to play, as Icelord said, but it just isn't gonna be that super stronger assault army.

Baronyu wrote:
Aw did I talk a potential DE out? Sorry, but wych cult is gonna be tough to run this ed, fun to play, as Icelord said, but it just isn't gonna be that super stronger assault army.

Oh you haven't talked me out of going DE. I'm just going to trade my Trollbloods for the Wych army.

Against certain armies wyches can be fantastic and the sheer volume of attacks they put out is hilarious yet hardly compensates for the serious nerf to their cc ability in 6th and their strength 3 which makes killing any marines hard. Against daemons I had one squad of wyches that killed 10 daemonettes and then 10 bloodletters and only suffered 2 casualties. Against CSM a similar squad after 2 rounds of combat and unleashing over 60 attacks they had killed 3 CSM, then the got butchered.


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As said before though a full army of them just won't be able to compete competitively.

As a DE player, I have to say that wych cults are very hard to run. I only have 2 units of 10, but they are getting shelf rash with the cc changes. As others have said, S3 is hard to overcome unless you get the right combat drugs. Their primary purpose at this point is as a vehicle killer and potential tarpit unit. Just don't expect 10 of them to take on a tac squad and live.

This goes for lelith as well. Great rules and good looking model but S3 means you absolutely need all of those attacks.

Hellions are ok, but either need to be with the baron or used as filler when you don't know what else to do. From both a movement and shooting perspective, warriors in a raider will outshoot / outlive a similarily priced group of hellions.

Anymore, DE builds seem to be about getting as many poison shots as you can ( raiders w/splinter racks filled with warriors and venoms with dual SC ). Then combine it with DL ravagers and blasterborn. The other option is lots of reavers with caltrops and/or blasters.

In the past couple of months I tried bringing a couple squads of wyches along for the ride. The meta here is fairly diverse and between foot IG, mech IG, various marine flavors, ork and necron armies they were disappointing. Once I got rid of the wyches entirely, then games started being much easier to win.