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After starting the series, I think Ravenor would make an excellent edition to Grey Knights. Give him a 2+/4++ because of his chair. Chair gives same stats as jetbike. He has a built in psycannon. Not sure how you would work CC in there. As he usually just throws people that piss him off.
A good soldier obeys without question. A good officer commands without doubt.
– quoting from the Tactica Imperium
He is an Inquisitor. He get burned so badly all he has left is his mind, he's a alpha level psyker I believe? But hes stuck in a grav chair. He usually Wares people (possesses his team so they can do superhuman feats. When they black out, etc keep them from getting pulped) but sometimes he goes in when it's most important. When he does he usually encounters another super powerful psyker so he never really continues to go on his psychic rampages.
A good soldier obeys without question. A good officer commands without doubt.
– quoting from the Tactica Imperium
CthuluIsSpy wrote: So...what would be doing on the battlefield then? That would be like putting Charles Xavier in a tank.
And this is not awesome how?
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
Haha exactly, psycannon for shooting nonsense. and make him Mastery 4 because he is that much of a boss. Who wouldn't be pissed off when a chair kills a bloodthirster?
A good soldier obeys without question. A good officer commands without doubt.
– quoting from the Tactica Imperium
I believe the Chair has two psycannons build into its prow... as for 'putting prof X in a tank'... he basically IS prof X in a tank... except instead of Prof X's telepathy... he's got Jean Grey's 'I win'-pathy.
Really, the psycannons are an afterthought for when he doesn't want to stretch his mind.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
OK, this is my attempt to create a profile for Ravenor. The Hammer of Wrath is mainly there for fluff and little else - he did use it one someone in the second book...
INQUISITOR GIDEON RAVENOR
200 POINTS
Ravenor may be bought as an HQ choice for any Imperial Codex.
UNIT TYPE: Infantry, Independent Character
WS1 BS4 S3 T5 W3 I4 A1 Ld 10 Sv 3+
WARGEAR
Twin-linked psycannon
Force chair (grants a 3+ armour save as well as the Hammer of Wrath, Move Through Cover and Feel No Pain special rules)
SPECIAL RULES Psyker (mastery level 3) - Ravenor may generate three powers from the Biomancy, Telepathy and Telekinesis disciplines. In addition to these three powers, he also always knows the "ware" power described below.
Move Through Cover
Hammer of Wrath
Feel No Pain
Adamantium Will
Ware: Ravenor may attempt to "ware" an ally, psychically boosting their physical strength, combat skill and endurance. Declare that you will use this power at the start of your movement phase. To use the ware power, first select any friendly model that is both Infantry and either a Character or Independent Character within 24" of Ravenor and perform a psychic test on Ravenor (before any models have moved). Ravenor may ware a model locked in combat, but to do so he receives a -1 penalty to Leadership for the test.
If the test fails, the target is unaffected. If it succeeds, the targeted model immediately gains +1 to its Weapon Skill, Strength, Initiative and Attacks attributes. It also gains the following special rules: Fleet, Feel No Pain and Fearless.
This effect last until the start of your next movement phase. After performing the psychic test to ware, regardless of whether it succeeded or not, Ravenor may not move, shoot (including Overwatch) or charge until the beginning of your next turn, but he may still fight if assaulted.
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Driven away from WH40K by rules bloat and the expense of keeping up, now interested in smaller model count games and anything with nifty mechanics.
Psienesis wrote: Against small-arms, yes. It gets torn right the feth up by some Tyranids.
time-traveling Tyranids.
Honestly, I think BL has a host of characters better than what appears in most codexes. I've heard back in the day WD would often include rules for BL characters, or people from other elements of the universe, such as video game characters and the like, and frankly, I'd rather have Ciaphas Cain in my Guard army than TACTICAL GENIUS CREEEEEEEEED, or have actual rules for Gabriel Angelos than yet another ultrasmurf.
Or better yet, create a kind of build your own character system; cost out special rules, have wargear creation rules, cost out stats, impose limits based on race and we could actually "Forge a narrative" of our own, rather than Vulkan He'stan leading every Salamander detachment against Abaddon, leading every Black Legion skirmish.
Therefore, I conclude, Valve should announce Half Life 2: Episode 3.
Technically, Ravenor was the one who was time travelling, the 'nids were supposed to be there.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
Psienesis wrote: Against small-arms, yes. It gets torn right the feth up by some Tyranids.
time-traveling Tyranids.
Honestly, I think BL has a host of characters better than what appears in most codexes. I've heard back in the day WD would often include rules for BL characters, or people from other elements of the universe, such as video game characters and the like, and frankly, I'd rather have Ciaphas Cain in my Guard army than TACTICAL GENIUS CREEEEEEEEED, or have actual rules for Gabriel Angelos than yet another ultrasmurf.
Or better yet, create a kind of build your own character system; cost out special rules, have wargear creation rules, cost out stats, impose limits based on race and we could actually "Forge a narrative" of our own, rather than Vulkan He'stan leading every Salamander detachment against Abaddon, leading every Black Legion skirmish.
So I heard you want Angelos Rules?
Spoiler:
Chapter Master for fun, here's your reasonable statline.
Pts WSBS S T W I A LdSv Gabriel Angelos: 335 7 5 4 5 4 5 4 10 2+/4++
Chapter Master: Gabriel Angelos possesses the rank of Chapter master, and as such, may be accompanied by a Command squad or take an Honour Guard, in addition, he may call down a single orbital bombardment per game (see Codex: Space Marines).
Wargear:
Godsplitter: This sanctified Daemonhammer is a Master-Crafted Thunder Hammer (see Warhammer 40,000 rulebook) that was gifted to Gabriel during the Tartarus Campaign, this weapon was made as an anathema to anything daemonic. This weapon ignores a Daemon's invulnerable save and reduces their toughness and strength by 1 for the duration of the game with every successful wound caused by this weapon. This cannot be replaced.
Plasma Pistol: See Codex: Space Marines. Can be swapped for a Master-Crafted Bolt Pistol for free or with an inferno pistol for +5 points.
Artificer Armour: Armour save included in profile above. This cannot be replaced.
Iron Halo: This holy icon projects a powerful shield around the bearer. Gabriel receives a 4+ invulnerable save, this is shown in his profile above.
Special Rules
And They Shall Know No Fear, Furious Charge, Counter-attack.
My Foe Shall Fall!
In lieu of his normal attacks, Gabriel may instead perform the following attack: Gabriel swings his Daemonhammer with all his might at a single enemy, causing massive damage to his target but he may only make 1 attack. Roll a d6 when assaulting, if the result is 1-2: his attack will automatically miss. If the result is 3-4: his attack will count as S10 and roll an additional d3 for armour penetration, as well as ignoring his opponent's armor save. If the result is 5-6, his attack counts as S10, rolls an additional 2d6 for armour penetration, and Gabriel's target cannot use armor saves for the duration of the game (including against this attack).
My Faith is My Shield!
This ability applies only to Imperial allies. Gabriel stands as a shining beacon of the Emperor's faith and fury among his brothers in arms, inspiring them to fight on with greater vigor. Every model in a unit joined by Gabriel gains a 5+ invulnerable save. This ability does not apply to units that already have an invulnerable save that are either innate or from wargear. Conversely, all Chaos-aligned units within 24" of him, enemy or ally, suffers from a -2 Ld deduction, to a minimum of 5.
Redemption RETRIBUTION
Gabriel fights to redeem his chapter, the Blood Ravens, from the sins of their former Chapter Master in the eyes of the Emperor and the Imperium, and will go through great lengths to see that fulfilled. This ability automatically gives Gabriel the "Feel No Pain" rule. Additionally when Gabriel is killed, he also has a chance to be resurrected back into combat. Roll a d6 on his death, if the result is 4 or less: Gabriel dies and is removed from the game as a casualty, if the result is 5: Gabriel comes back into the game with only 1 wound, if the result is 6: Gabriel comes back with all 4 wounds. If Gabriel is successfully resurrected, he will continue his previous action before he was incapacitated. This may be repeated until a number lower than 5 is rolled or the player does not wish to use this rule.
Taste the Fury of the Blood Ravens!
Gabriel burns with zealotry whenever he is in the field of battle. Whenever he is deployed to the field as reinforcements via deep strike: he and his retinue can assault on the same turn they enter the field and gain Furious Charge on their initial charge, they may only do this if they did not run or shoot in the preceding shooting phase however.
Independent Character
Gabriel Angelos is an independent character as defined by the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. He cannot join fast-attack squads.
Cybernetic Enhancements
After his battle with Kyras much of Gabriel's body had to be rebuilt with cybernetics. As a result he is more resilient than before. This grants him +1 Toughness (already included in profile) and the Eternal Warrior universal special rule.
From 1d4chan.
But yeah, Relic and the Black Library have made some spectacularly awesome characters.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
Yeah, 1d4chan can feth off, no way does some Space Marine witch-brother have a better Shield of Faith save than a Living Saint.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
Furyou Miko wrote: Yeah, 1d4chan can feth off, no way does some Space Marine witch-brother have a better Shield of Faith save than a Living Saint.
This Space marine fought an ascended Kyras merged with one of the most powerful Bloodthirsters ever, sure he got pulped for his efforts from Kyras' first solid hit, but he fought!
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
Yeah, and Saint Praxedes killed a Hive Tyrant using what basically amounts to a power maul. Given the more recent fluff and the fact she was pulling off a guerilla campaign against tyranids at the time, there's a good chance that it was actually the Swarmlord.
Not to mention the fact that the Sisters are one of the few Imperial forces capable of purging a space marine chapter.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
Furyou Miko wrote: Yeah, and Saint Praxedes killed a Hive Tyrant using what basically amounts to a power maul. Given the more recent fluff and the fact she was pulling off a guerilla campaign against tyranids at the time, there's a good chance that it was actually the Swarmlord.
Not to mention the fact that the Sisters are one of the few Imperial forces capable of purging a space marine chapter.
Well, the Minotaurs seem to be the High Lord of Terra's personal attack dogs for any target, Guard, Sisters, or Marines.
There is an awful lot that's very suspicious about them though.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
His body also laid there while scores of people from some army or another came in and actually killed the Daemon with heavy weapons, bombs, grenades....
... and you want me to believe he lived?
I mean, when I played that bit, I parked my Trukk on top of his corpse to get all the dakka on the daemon.
... I might have driven back and forth over his body a few times, too.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
Furyou Miko wrote: Yeah, and Saint Praxedes killed a Hive Tyrant using what basically amounts to a power maul. Given the more recent fluff and the fact she was pulling off a guerilla campaign against tyranids at the time, there's a good chance that it was actually the Swarmlord.
Not to mention the fact that the Sisters are one of the few Imperial forces capable of purging a space marine chapter.
Well, the Minotaurs seem to be the High Lord of Terra's personal attack dogs for any target, Guard, Sisters, or Marines.
There is an awful lot that's very suspicious about them though.
Most of the other Imperial forces capable of purging a Space Marine chapter are Space Marines... :p
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
Psienesis wrote: His body also laid there while scores of people from some army or another came in and actually killed the Daemon with heavy weapons, bombs, grenades....
... and you want me to believe he lived?
I mean, when I played that bit, I parked my Trukk on top of his corpse to get all the dakka on the daemon.
... I might have driven back and forth over his body a few times, too.
The newest Deathwatch sourcebook confirms the Marine ending as canon, so he lived, while Thule got stuck in a dreadnought after a run in with a warrior.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
Seeing as Ravenor seemed to go down reasonably well, here's Nayl. Not sure about the point cost...
I did think of letting Ravenor have a 2+ save, but when I thought of the Tyranid example, as well as the way someone was eventually able to breach his chair with an axe (admittedly after a very sustained attack) I decided I couldn't quite justify giving him the same survivability as a Terminator. But that said, these rules are of course just for fun
HARLON NAYL – 125 POINTS
A bounty hunter from the planet Loki, Harlon Nayl is known throughout the Scarus Sector as a ruthless, driven fighter skilled with most forms of weaponry.
Nayl may be added to any army that includes Ravenor. Nayl counts in all regards as an HQ unit that does not occupy a FOC slot. Nayl may never act as a Warlord.
Infantry, Independent Character
WS4 BS4 S4 T3 W3 I4 A3 Ld 8 Sv 4+
WARGEAR
Wraithbone Pendant: when Ravenor attempts to ware a model with a Wraithbone Pendant, he may re-roll the Psychic Test to do so and receives no penalty to Leadership for the purposes of the test if the model is locked in combat. He may not re-roll if the test results in Perils of the Warp.
Carapace armour
Voss-pattern grenade launcher: Range 24” S4 AP5 Heavy 2, Blast
Las-carbine: Range 24” S3 Ap- Assault 2
Autopistol: Range 12” S3 AP- Pistol
Close combat weapon
SPECIAL RULES
Feel No Pain
Counter-Attack
Survivor: Nayl has survived many wounds that would kill a normal man, from las-rounds to impalement on a Carthaean battle sabre. When Nayl loses his last Wound, roll a D6. On a roll of 5+ Nayl is not removed as a casualty but remains in play with one Wound. This may not be attempted if Nayl lost his last wound to a weapon that caused Instant Death.
Bounty Hunter: Nayl is driven to hunt down his quarry wherever they may hide. Before deployment, select one model from your opponent's army list with the Independent Character quality. Nayl gains the Hatred and Preferred Enemy rules against this model and any unit it joins.
Dirty Fighter: Even before he joined Ravenor's warband, Nayl was accustomed to fighting against the odds. For every model in base contact with Nayl at the beginning of each Assault Phase, add 1 to Nayl's Attacks characteristic (recalculate each turn).
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Driven away from WH40K by rules bloat and the expense of keeping up, now interested in smaller model count games and anything with nifty mechanics.
I've seen the 1d4chan rules, and while they're a touch silly, they aren't horribly unbalanced for the point cost, no more so than Imhotek of "I feth you with lightning, even if I'm dead or not on the table."
But that's not really the point, more that people other than GW proper write better characters, and it's kind of a shame you can't truly use them.
Therefore, I conclude, Valve should announce Half Life 2: Episode 3.
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High Elves 1500pts
Imperial Guard 1000pts
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