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What was the Emperor doing during the Dark Age of Technology and why didn't he use the awesome weapons of that time to supercharge his Great Crusade master plan? Surely it would have proved to have made things a lot easier in the long run?
Well the AOT didn't really need his help humanity was basically unstoppable, I see the Emperor as a reluctant leader who only led humanity because there was no one else to do it and would have given it back to "humanity" once their enemies were purged.
Automatically Appended Next Post: and remember fluff says the ADmech collected all the technology they could during the Age of Strife making them the most technological advanced human faction which is why the emperor created an alliance with them before he set off on the great crusade.
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Here's to me in my sober mood,
When I ramble, sit, and think.
Here's to me in my drunken mood,
When I gamble, sin, and drink.
And when my days are over,
And from this world I pass,
I hope they bury me upside down,
So the world can kiss my ass!
Because he has precognition. He knew that the Age of Strife was coming and all the problems along with it. If he had created his empire before it he'd be stuck on Terra when the warp storms hit and be forced to re conquer it all anyway.
Could also be that perhaps he couldn't. Age of Technology humanity was immensely advanced, capable and self assured. It's likely they would have rejected the emperor's attempt to rule humanity and quite possible could have beaten him. At the very least there would have been a massive civil war.
Post Age of Strife was the perfect time for him to embark on conquest, with the weakened colonies and lack of centralized resistance he was actually able to establish him Imperium.
There are plenty of humans capable of rejecting the Emperor's orders. Why do you think so many human planets refused to join the Imperium during the Great Crusade? How do you think half the Imperial Army sided with Horus?
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
Psienesis wrote: There are plenty of humans capable of rejecting the Emperor's orders. Why do you think so many human planets refused to join the Imperium during the Great Crusade? How do you think half the Imperial Army sided with Horus?
Agreed.
If no human was incapable of rejecting the Emperors order there would have been no Wars of Unification and the Likes of Kalagann and Narthan Dume would have willingly bent their knee to him.
In person the Emperor did have a presence that made it hard for people to refuse him... Even the presence of a primarch would make people all doe eyed and fuzzy headed.
Mellow wrote: Humans are incapable of rejecting the Emperors orders.
It's the Men of Iron that may not have followed him and been the reason why he didn't step up to lead during that time.
Maybe he foresaw the war with them?
Wasn't it discovered during the Age of Imperium that the Men of Iron were chaos-corrupted. I think I remember a story where the STC for Men of Iron is discovered, but every one created by the Adeptus Mechanicus ends up all nuts and murderous. Maybe He saw that coming. We know chaos was at least in existence during that time, just not active to the degree it is now. Not so openly... and with one less bro/sis/thing.
Otherwise, I think the prevailing opinion - that Dark Age of Technology humanity was perhaps too powerful for him to have taken power from. Even with Astarte, it would have been difficult. He needed a better time. A time where things were fethed. AoS seems like the perfect time for galactic domination.
I also think the Emperor of Man didn't really want to rule, per se. He wanted humanity united under one flag. He wanted every possible, no matter how improbable, threat to mankind eradicated. He wanted the galaxy for his kind. I am a firm believer that had the Great Crusade ended in ultimate success (presumably without the HH ever happening), the Emperor and any surviving primarchs would have retired to those massive apartments below the palace... at least that's what He would have wanted. Who knows if his sons would have been cool with that life.
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What he was always doing: watching over Humanity. The Emperor never really needed to take charge directly until the Age of Strife; until then, he was content to watch over and if necessary, guide the species from the shadows.
"In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same"
No he didn't. That has never been one of his assets.
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life.
Magnus The Mauve wrote: In person the Emperor did have a presence that made it hard for people to refuse him... Even the presence of a primarch would make people all doe eyed and fuzzy headed.
Except Angron. And Konrad Kurze. They were kinda creepy, and scary <_< >_>
No he didn't. That has never been one of his assets.
The chapter in Outcast Dead would disagree with you. You know, the chapter where He said He saw the future.
Do you mean the chapter in which he said he couldn't see the future and needed the protagonist to tell him?
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life.
No he didn't. That has never been one of his assets.
The chapter in Outcast Dead would disagree with you. You know, the chapter where He said He saw the future.
It's not clear that he was referring to some sort of precognition. It seems more likely, given other passages in that very chapter, that he simply "saw" - as in anticipated/predicted - the future.
Perhaps what he had to work with was the best he could do given the limitations imposed by the fall of man.
Cybernetic revolt would have made most data storage systems unreliable at best. The STC systems as described are AI systems susceptible to revolt, and in one case outright possession by a demon.
It is likely he imprisoned the Dragon on Mars and took a number of other steps to squirrel away knowledge so he could use it later and stored it in forms that were resilliant to the ravages of time and rebellion.
The real question is why didn't he bother to tell everyone what the plan was with the Golden Throne and the Webway. I think lots of problems could have been averted in that situation.
