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I recently was given a copy of the CSM codex by a friend and, as I always do when this occurs, I wrote a few lists. This was the first, I wanted to try out a large variety of units. It went up against SW (with 3 Venerable Dreads, Bjorn and 2 Vindicators! ) and GK in a 2v1 game and drew.

HQ
Sorcerer-ML2, Terminator Armour, Spell Familiar, Sigil of Corruption, Gift of Mutation, Veterans of the Long War 140 (Using 1 Biomancy and 1 Telekinesis)
Dark Apostle-VotLW, GoM 115
Chaos Lord-Jump Pack, Sigil of Corruption, twin LC, Veterans, melta bombs 155

Troops
15 Marines-2 melta guns, Champion with melta bombs and GoM 240
10 Marines-Lascannon, 160
30 Cultists-2 Flamers 140
10 Cultists 50

Elites
5 Thousand Sons 150 (Using Pyromancy)
5 Terminators-Chainfist, Reaper Autocannon, 1 pair of LC, Champion with GoM 211
2 Mutilators 110

FA
5 Warp Talons-Champion with 1 GoM 170
Heldrake 170
15 Raptors-VotLW, Champion has GoM, melta bombs and 2 LCs, meltagun 320

HS
2 Obliterators 140
Predator-TL Lascannon 100
Maulerfiend 125
Forgefiend 175
Defiler-Power Scourge, Dirge Caster, Warpflame Gargoyles 230

Total 2996

In terms of feedback, any and all is welcome but primarily can I get ideas on;
1. VotLW
2. Gift of Mutation
3. Psychic Powers
4. Cultists
5. Daemon Engines

Thanks very much in advance

1. VotLW

Do you regularly play against Space Marines? Personally I don't use it any more as 3/4 of my friends play guard or xenos, so its not always worth it for me, even with the Ld+. I tend to make my guys fearless instead (using IC or the Icon) or take cult marines as troops.

2. Gift of Mutation

stopped using it. It hasn't really given me an edge when I did take it.

3. Psychic Powers

Never used them for CSM. Actually I don't think I've even taken the Sorcerer or 1k sons yet, sorry.

4. Cultists

I do use them, but keep them in reserve to hopefully shore up that last objective tucked on your side of the board. I never mark them, or upgrade them, accept the occasional heavy stubber. To me its like buying the toilet paper with flower patterns on it. Just there to be used and then discarded. Never taken a flamer on them, as they are usually just chilling in my back field. the only thing that is ever in my backfield are DW terminators and they don't care about flamers.

5. Daemon Engines

I have only ever used the drake, and it always becomes public enemy number one, and draws tons of fire. Overall though, I am a fan of what I have seen them do in batreps.



Note: IF you gave the Sorc MoT, those 1k sons become troops. Although not great troops, they are now scoring and potentially could take that game winning objective.

How did those Warp Talons and raptors work out for you? Mine always tend to evaporate at mid field due to stupid Tau ethereal triple tap rapid fire.

VotLW is good on small units that needs the re roll. Such as oblits& havocs. I might put on csm.

I never take GoM unless I need to fill points.

U wanna get invisibility for your squad when you roll for psychic ability.

I would split your cultist 2x 20

Daemon engines are vehicles and subject to easy kill. If they had av 13 I would use them more. I only I can give them mark of tz to improve their invul to 4++. Heck even being a Daemon of tz to reroll fail saves of 1 is nice.

Lash tendrills/ power scourge or what ever reduces enemy attack by 1 and their ws is nice to tarpit the enemy.

I play SW and GK very regularly, so it would get used, might help mutilators etc too.
I'll give my Warlord Gift, after all it can't hurt, otherwise I'll drop it.
I think Invisibility is in Telepathy, CSM can't use it.
Good thought on Cultist 1 unit of 20 deployed one in reserve maybe?
I'll take the idea on engines, just hope that someone who has used them has found the thread...

They aren't bad looking, my problem is that I play at about 1k to 1500 so its hard to put up 200 points when I can buy havocs or oblits and do roughly the same thing fot less and won't spontaneous explode. I might have the opportunity to run some this weekend, and I will keep you posted but I can't promise anything.

Thanks, it's just something unique and cool that I want to try, in the game I played the forgefiend killed a Vindicator (with help from the Forge), and the Heldrake shot up a Dreadnought, but the Maulerfiend and Defiler got blown up en route (thank you Mr. Vindicare Assassin).

Is there any more generic feedback on the list?