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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/26 22:14:39
Subject: 1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Giggling Nurgling
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Someone please critique this list for me?I'm going mono god csm (nurgle)
Hq-Chaos lord, MoN, termie, sigil of corruption, melta bombs (weapon?)-150
Troops- 3 squads of seven plague marines all with two plasmas- 594
Fast attack- 2 flamer helldrakes-140
Heavy-3x obliterators MoN-228
Heavy- vindicator w combi bolter- 125
Still have about 60 points left. Dunno what melee weapon to give the HQ. Any help would be super appreciated. I definitely want the hq i n termie armor with MoN though.
Thanks, dudes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 02:09:01
Subject: Re:1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe
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Lightning Claw & Powerfist are often recommended for the Lord, enables him to decimate infantry while having the option to thrash MCs and armour when his gorgeous Init score isn't needed.
That being said, my Lord doesn't leave home in the morning without the Burning Brand of Skalathrax. Kills MEq, hordes, xenos, and can even glance light armour for 30pts? Yes please!
The plague squads are fanatastic, they've been working wonders for me. Hard to move off objectives, but also hard to get there. I absolutely recommend getting at least two of those squads into Rhinos for the measly 35pts. That way they can get where they need to be, shoot the plasmas out the windows, and because they're plagues they'll survive if/when the Rhino explodes.
As a thought, you don't have a lot of ground-based firepower. Consider swapping one of the plagues for Noise Marines w/ sonic blasters. Lots of damage output for less points, if I remember my #s. They're a solid choice, and I speak from experience with both PM and NM.
As for the Oblits, I may recommend splitting them into a unit of 2 and a single model by it's lonesome. That way they can't be focused down by a single unit, and you've got more options as for which weapons you want, and what you want them to fire at round-by-round.
On the flipside, 60pts nets you a Sorc. Psyker powers are never to be underestimated. Biomancy or telepathy are both useful.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/06/27 02:13:22
-I dedicate these deaths to Odin Allfather, Spearshaker, One Eye.
Rock hard, ride free, and hold the heathen hammer high!
"Orkses is never beaten in battle; if we win, we win, if we die, we died fightin' so it doesn't count, and if we leg it, we always come back for anuvver go, see?"
God, I'd love to shunt the Hulk into the Eye of Terror and see what comes out. -Reiner
"Sons of the Last Breath"
"Host of Shattered Purity"
"Kabal of the Dying Sun, Cult of Marrow Excised, Coven of Lambent Hunger" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 02:52:35
Subject: 1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Giggling Nurgling
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I definitely agree with you on the oblits. I was a little uneasy about only having plasma on my plague marines so that's put to rest I suppose. I don't really have the points left over for the rhinos unfortunately. I suppose I could take out the vini or one of the helldrakes, but the helldrakes are really good anti air/horde and its hard for me to just say goodbye to the str 10 pie plate from the vindi :/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 06:58:44
Subject: Re:1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe
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Nah plasma is fine. Though looking at it, I'll suggest swapping one of those units from 2xplasma to 2xmelta. That gives you a little extra push vs armour, and an extra 10pts to find a home for.
What did you end up arming your Lord with?
You could stack a couple extra upgrades on your Vindicator; Extra Armour to help it get in range?
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-I dedicate these deaths to Odin Allfather, Spearshaker, One Eye.
Rock hard, ride free, and hold the heathen hammer high!
"Orkses is never beaten in battle; if we win, we win, if we die, we died fightin' so it doesn't count, and if we leg it, we always come back for anuvver go, see?"
God, I'd love to shunt the Hulk into the Eye of Terror and see what comes out. -Reiner
"Sons of the Last Breath"
"Host of Shattered Purity"
"Kabal of the Dying Sun, Cult of Marrow Excised, Coven of Lambent Hunger" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 11:06:48
Subject: 1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
Norway, Tønsberg
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The lord is alone? That would not be recommended, I would give him a power fist and the bbos and loose the MB. Put him in a unit of 35 cultists with 3 flamers. Claw and fist is a bit overkill imo.
For the plagues, I usually just bring five or six with plasmas in rhinos, always. Meltas or flamers if i know I'm up against hordes or lots of armor.
And as the carp said, split the oblits.
The drakes are 170 each btw.
Think these alterations is more towards the 1750, but hope it helped anyways.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 11:35:53
Subject: 1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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- You can trim the sigil off your lord. Your already getting a 5++ from the terminator armor.
- You might want to give one or two of your PMs melta guns. Toss melta bombs on the searg if you can.
- The vindicator feels 'meh' in your list.
- You need a 'deck chair' unit to sit around and just hold an objective on your back field. You don't want to be keeping a squad of very expensive PMs in that role.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 13:49:02
Subject: 1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Giggling Nurgling
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Hmm. Well I've got 20 cultists from the dv set that I could throw into the mix. Ill make one of the plague squads meltas and if I've got points left ill throw melta bombs on sgts. I might just drop the extra helldrake to make room for cultists and ups on the vindi. Wouldnt have to lose the 4++ on the lord. I still have no idea what to arm him with. Black mace is awesome but very costly and I'm told that's really used best with a DP.
How much does the extra armor cost? I'm having trouble finding it in the codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 15:01:05
Subject: 1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
Norway, Tønsberg
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If you put 35 cultists with your lord, you can be almost sure he will reach combat.
I say again, power claw and bobs(burning brand of skalatrax). Anti meq, hordes and armor, no need for Melta bombs on him.
I have 40 culitsts, 10 for the backfield and 30 with 3 flamers with the lord.
I dont see the need for extra armor, but its points are on pg. 91 in the codex, the rules are in the rulebook.
I would make 2 PM squads (if you choose to go for 35+10 or 30+10 cultists) of 6, or 5 if you have to, with plasmas in rhinos. That should shave a few points. I wouldn't drop the heldrake.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 15:18:45
Subject: 1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Giggling Nurgling
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It sounds really effective, but buying twenty more cultists and painting them along with my unpainted 20 also sounds like a nightmare. Not to mention having less than seven pms in a squad screams minmax/powergaming. Maybe I could get away with taking out one squad of pms, taking typhus with twenty plague zombies? They're a bit more resilient with 6+ fnp
I just hate that typhus doesnt really get any longer range shooty abilities.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 15:33:36
Subject: 1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
Norway, Tønsberg
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Yea, painting up 40 culists suck. (hyssssh, don't say anything to the ork players) I never had the taste for footslogging termies. Only options for me would be to bring a LR, and there goes half your army. I have had lots of fun bringing a lord without termie armor, soc, bbos and pf running up with 30 cultists, maybe 20 will suffice.
Typhus and 20 zombies will be more resilient (i think its 5+ fnp). The burning brand is pretty long range, 12"+a flamer template is longer than you think.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 15:41:49
Subject: 1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Giggling Nurgling
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Didn't even consider giving typhus any upgrades given that he's already 230 points alone. Might still work out though. Ill add up the numbers and see what I can come up with
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 15:44:27
Subject: 1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
Norway, Tønsberg
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Unfortunately he cant take any upgrades, I was thinking of your termie lord.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 16:13:05
Subject: 1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Giggling Nurgling
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Yeah, just saw that. He does fit in points wise and all if I drop one squad of pms and take twenty zombies. Also lets me put the pms in metal boxes. And with a few points to spare. How's that sound?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 16:27:28
Subject: 1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
Norway, Tønsberg
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It sounds decent. The weak points would be your slow hq and hq unit with low mobility and your fragile vindi, they're gonna wanna take it out quick. Ive seen a pair of drakes work wonders.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 17:19:12
Subject: 1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Giggling Nurgling
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Can you think of a good alternative to the vindicator?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 18:29:50
Subject: 1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
Norway, Tønsberg
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I love the vindicator. Many would say bring two instead. I cant say ive tried alot of the other HS options, more obliterators could be effective.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 18:43:04
Subject: Re:1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe
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I assumed the Lord was going in with a squad of Plagues, oops.
Personally I dig a forgefiend, but that's likely more points than you can squeeze out. What about a predator with lascannon sponsons? That way it's firing as it crawls up the board. Yeah it's no S10, but it's got range and can still ID a lot of different models.
As for Typhus, from my experience I'd recommend against. He's a beeftank and a half, but I had trouble getting him into CC (where he needs to be) via Deep Strike, nevermind footslogging a unit that can get shaved out of charge range by overwatch easy.
I have had succes using ~4 termies with a Terminator Lord, bamfing them into the opponent's backfield with BBoS and a couple combi-weps and making a pretty pretty mess of all of his nice everything.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/06/27 18:46:43
-I dedicate these deaths to Odin Allfather, Spearshaker, One Eye.
Rock hard, ride free, and hold the heathen hammer high!
"Orkses is never beaten in battle; if we win, we win, if we die, we died fightin' so it doesn't count, and if we leg it, we always come back for anuvver go, see?"
God, I'd love to shunt the Hulk into the Eye of Terror and see what comes out. -Reiner
"Sons of the Last Breath"
"Host of Shattered Purity"
"Kabal of the Dying Sun, Cult of Marrow Excised, Coven of Lambent Hunger" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/27 22:24:04
Subject: 1500 point csm nurgle army ( First army)
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Giggling Nurgling
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This might sound absurd, but if I was feeling really spicy I could deep strike typhus and some oblits...
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