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So i've been toying with the idea of Tau as allies for my BA i just wanted peoples opinions on what i should take.
keep in mind though i don't have a tonne of models for tau and sadly i have no High Yield missiles to give to broadsides :(
so here's what i've com up with

BA HQ:
-Reclusiarch (Basic)

Elites:
-Sang-p w/ Jump pack

Troops:
-10x Assault Marines w/ 2 x melta guns, Sgt with Power weapon

-10x Assault Marines w/ 2 x Flamers, Sgt with Power weapon

-8x Death Company w/ 1x Power Sword, 1x Power Axe, 1x Thunder hammer
DT-Land Raider Crusader with Search light

Tau allies
HQ:
-Command w/ Drone Controller, Puretide Engram chip, Iridium Armor (Sits up front and tank for Broadsides)

Elites:
-Riptide w/ Ion, TL fusion blaster, EWO

Troops:
-20x Kroot (Standard)

Heavy:
3x Broadside TL Rail rifle, SMS, Skyfire, & 3 Missile Drones


So im not really sure about this list at all as i've never tried it out hopefully will get to play test this weekend?
before then does anyone have any suggestions on changes i should make?
thank you in advance.

This looks pretty good. Although i still think that the libby is better than the reclusiarch pretty much all the time.

The libby is better, and is really the only HQ worth his points in the BA book IMHO. Also, get some Fire warriors and drop the Kroot. Fire Warriors are the best troops in the game for their points. Their long range and strength 5 shots is just killer against infantry, and can help against light mech.

Drone controller doesn't work on missile drones.

Why doesn't it work on missile drones? did they FAQ it or something? it just says drones in the unit can use the bearers BS once he joins the unit they why can't they use his bs?

I think you need to reread the DC entry it specifies which drones get the benefit...

The reclusiarch markes sense in this list for that DC deathstar. However I don't like solo Landraiders any decent opponent can deal with a landraider dealing with 2-3 or more becomes problematic.

I don't get the flamer assault squad. All they do is kill the enemy out of assault range. You will kill hordes with those guys anyway go to meltas with them too. What power weapons are your sergeants taking?

The Tau allies don't appear to be thought out at all. Your commander is what 133 points for literally zero damage output, and almost no buff to the unit he has joined? Why not just take 2 missile pods on him at least then he adds to the units firepower.

Kroot without sniper rounds are pointless.

The Riptide could do with FnP but he is basically the only part of the Tau contingent I think is well put together.

However as a list all together it is all over the place. The Tau sit back hoping for the enemy to try to come to them. The Solo Landraider takes literally all the AT firepower your opponent has as it is literally the only piece of AT on the board and if it dies early you lose. Then you have dome assault marines bouncing around. It appears nothing in your army supports anything else.

Okay so i've made some changes then. with the land raider i don't know what else i can do doesn't seem like there is any other reliable method to transport Death company anymore.
anyway here's the new list with some changes made to it.

Reclusiarch (standard)

Sang-p w/ Jp

7x Death co w/ 1 power sword, 1 axe, 1 thunder hammer in a Land Raider Crusader (stock)
10x Assault marines w/ 2x Melta-guns, power sword
10x Assault marines w/ 2x Melta-guns, power Axe

Commander w/ Iridium armor, Puretide chip, Command & control node, Vectored Retro thrusters, web jammer chip(had 2 points spare)

Riptide w/ Ion accel, TL fusion, EWO

15x Kroot with Sniper rounds

3x Broadsides w/ TL Rail, SMS, 4 Missile Drones

So what do you really think i need to change? drop maybe an assault squad and go for fire warriors or what do you think im missing.

Get rid of reclusiarch. Get a divination libby w/ power axe. Give sanguinary priest power axe. Put them both in the squad with the power axe sarge. That squad is basically immune to challenges. Deny all cchallenges. Profit. If you get the 4++ invuln power, that squad is a real threat.

Hmmm any idea's where to free up 25 points to give the libby a jp?

Drop the power sword off the other sarge, since he has no othe are IC in the squad? Maybe change that squad to flamers instead of melta and send them after lighter targets or targets that are concealed.

I agree that the LR is a fantastic delivery system for DC. Indeed with the current codexes power builds be focussed on S7 spam LRs are a real force now. But a single Landraider is easy to deal with and a poor choice. Therefore you should be running your assault squads also in Landraiders. Then think about you Tau contingent and how they support this armoured front. For my money Predators are the best choice here, but if you're going Tau you need their armoured units so Devilfish in troops and Hammerheads in HS.

As is your list and the redo is just a random collection of models not a competitive list.

A single LR is no longer easy to deal with for many lists. Especially if there are BA ASM keeping melta away.

Additionally, no one cares about LR full of BA ASM. I know I don't. The only LR that matters is the on with DC. So its a single LR list no matter what you do.

For the Tau allies..... Here are a few thoughts:

> Get Ethereal + FW in a D-fish. This means no Kroot.

> Riptide is ok

> Kill the Broadsides. Get more DC. Like a lot more.

Lucarikx

Im not big on Etherals they're too big of a target and give up a free Vp.
The broadsides for me are kind of a must in my meta almost every army i vs has at least 2 flyers.
and i've tried using just the storm raven and tbh its done good sometimes and other times its failed and basically led me to a loss
seeing as i had nothing else but AC and Auto cannon / las preds to 'try' and kill the helldrakes destroying my forces.

to me i have to take broadsides in this list cause the Storm raven aint cutting it for its 230p cost and i don't have access to a Aegies to help it out.

OMG. Do NOT get rid of broadsides for DC. Keep the Kroot, as well. They are good. The y are cheap bullet catchers, which is what you want.

Martel732 wrote:
A single LR is no longer easy to deal with for many lists. Especially if there are BA ASM keeping melta away.

Additionally, no one cares about LR full of BA ASM. I know I don't. The only LR that matters is the on with DC. So its a single LR list no matter what you do.

Assault Marines with FnP and FC mess up most units they hit. In the massed shooting this edition is about ASM will happily trounce many of the most threatening units your opponents have. For instance against Tau ASMs beat anything they have.

But yes if you have one LR that has significantly more threat within it, then it will be target priority 1. You can use that or mitigate it by having all your LR units carrying a similar threat. Running solo Landraiders will never be a competitive option.

Unfortunately, ASM with FNP/FC are not quite as killy as you seem to think.

Depends what you're sending them at. Terminators? No marines yes, Necrons Hells yes, Tau OMFG yes, Eldar yes etc etc.

Tell that to my ASM squad that had to assault 30 guardians and the avatar or suffer another turn of Eldar shooting.

Things like plague marines and grey hunters are serious problems as well. And IG power blobs with 5 power weapons in them. And any Tyranid list.

You don't have to assault the Avatar or 30 guardians. They can't be in one squad and guardians max out at 20.

Plaguemarines are an issue unless you have them out numbered, grey hunters less so. IG power blobs? I'd argue you'd obliterate them points for points. They'd certainly do better than Terminators. Against 'Nids its about the right tool for the job. ASMs will kill gaunts and non-character MCs pretty efficiently.

Well that's what I get for not reading my opponent's codex I suppose and trusting people to not screw me over. At any rate, the Eldar had already done so much damage by shooting, it wouldn't have mattered if he was playing it straight or not.

In my experience, ASM suffer from not being able to take on units that they really need to in some lists, or they wipe up one squad of something like fire warriors and then get shot to death on the subsequent turn by everything else nearby. The Eldar, in some ways, is the worst of both worlds. Although against the Eldar, I have a better chance of not winning until after the charge turn.

personally my main issue is the amount of plague marines in my meta which lets face it destroy anything that was useful to FNP/FC ASM. quick question on the plague marine topic.
do defensive grenades cancel the Re rolls to hit and wound for Dco?

Why would they? They stop the extra attack from charging.

Right you are! seems the person who told me this seemed to be full of Sh**. i just checked up on the wording and yeah i still get FC and Re-rolls thats good.
Tbh i don't know why i trusted this persons opinion without checking for myself when he was stupid enough to not realize his Vindicator was Ordnance...my fault for trusting people...