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Hi here's my idea for an infantry only Blood angels list:

125 - Librarian (Jump Pack)
240 - Assault Squad (2x Meltaguns, Thunder Hammer)

075 - Sanguinary Priest (Jump Pack)
240 - Assault Squad (2x Meltaguns, Thunder Hammer)

075 - Sanguinary Priest (Jump Pack)
240 - Assault Squad (2x Meltaguns, Thunder Hammer)

995 - Total

Sooo...... What do you think?

Thunder Hammers just look awesome am I right in saying their only downfall is in a challenge? If I decline a challenge what happens? Does he "live to fight another day"?
How well would this come up against tanks/heavy armour do you think?

I think you would have a huge problem against fliers. I know you have x6 meltaguns, but they have a limited range and getting 3 HPs down on most fliers would be very tough considering you can only hit on 6's.

I love the simple great idea of space marines = win. Feel no pain + furious charge + bodies + power armor = insurmountable force.

You might also run into problems with your guys getting overwatched to death.

Having only three squads total is a weakness IMO. It allows them to get locked into static positions from blob squads. While the enemy has 5+ units to operate. This might cause problems with objectives, but I'm not 100% sure.

Thanks for that - although the 10 man squads could be combat squadded, the libby and priests joining the ones without the sergeants....

Would people have fliers at 1000 points and a lot of troops? orks maybe?

What about tanks and such?

Well, I bet most CSM players would take A Heldrake.

The Imperial Guard would probably take some Valkyries or vendettas at least at 1000 points.

It might not be the answer with your gaming group. But I bet you'll be fine against all normal tanks with just your jump pack + 6 meltaguns. the extra 3 thunder hammers is a little overkill. The hammers don't help at all against the random flier or two you might run into.


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They're amazing, but you should maybe but it down to 1-2 hammers at most. It is only 1000 points and you have a lot of meltaguns.

Ok - so this is a viable army list (except maybe against fliers)?

What about challenges when assaulting, I know thunder hammers aren't the greatest for that, is there a way around it?

Meltabombs would be good as well but I cant see how to get them without giving up the thunder hammers!

Give the prist a PW and take a challeng with him or the other way around.

Meph the only way around it is too have 2 models in a unit able to accept chalenges BUT you are risking losing your priest or Libby by doing that. If you decline a challenge the model you decide to decline with, anyone that is an independent character or a squad sergeant, would not be able to attack at all that turn. If I remember right the person being assaulted chooses if they want to challenge first, then its the person who assaulted. If a challenge is issued the person issuing chooses who they challeng with then the person accepting or declining chooses which of their models will be represented in the challenge.

Oh OK that makes sense. So if I placed my sarge and libby/priest at the back then they.... wouldn't..... be able to be attacked in the assault? (I'm cringing as I'm typing this ) - Thanks

No in assaults the person taking wounds chooses who they go to as long as they are in base contact or within 3(I think?) inches of another model so for close combat, model placement isn't as important as when getting shot at. The exception is challenges. When a challenge occurs only the 2 participants in the challenge wound each other until 1 dies. While they are going head to head the rest of the squad in that combat fight each other normally with no wounds passing on to the 2 in the challenge.

What I was trying to explain was that lets say you have a hammer on your sergeant and there is also a priest in the squad. Your opponent issues a challenge with his squad leader. You would be able to either accept or decline with either your sergeant or priest. If you accept, those 2 go off to the side fighting only each other. If you decline, whichever model you choose can not participate in this round of close combat. now examples!

If you accept with your Sergeant he would go head to head with your opponents challenger but would attack last due to Demon Hammer. If he declined the challenge he would not be able to fight anything this round but everyone else fights normally.

If you accept with your Priest you would risk losing the Priest but your Sergeant could attack last with the Demon Hammer agsinst anybody that didn't challenge. If you decline with your priest he would not be able to fight this round but everyone else including the challenger fights normally.

That makes so much sense, thanks very much. I love the thunder hammer models (and what they do), really glad that's how challenges work. - Thanks

How about just deny all challenges? Works fine for me.

Martel732 wrote:
How about just deny all challenges? Works fine for me.

That is until you come across my deamon herald with beguilment (reroll all failed to hit rolls and challenges MUST be accepted).

I'll take my chances. BA do get to shoot, too. If I'm in HTH with daemons, I've probably lost anyway.