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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/09 20:43:36
Subject: VC what next
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Deadly Dire Avenger
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So i recently purchased a 40k model on Ebay, and received a surprise in a box of Skeleton Warriors. I have been contemplating getting into fantasy but didn't really know what to go with. So with this surprise I decided to go with VC.
What other models support Skeleton Warriors, and are they particularly useful compared to the other core units?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/10 14:35:29
Subject: VC what next
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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I find Skeletons to be the best Core unit for VC. Zombies won't kill anything, they're just a tarpit or a bunker for a Necromancer. Ghouls are great, but expensive, you won't get as many bodies with them. Dire Wolves are chaff to redirect and distract with, not fighting units.
Skeletons however are cheap, have the same durability as most standard sword and board troops (Clanrats, Swordsmen, Men-at-arms etc). And every once in a while the enemy will fail a fear test, and you will get your combat buff spells off. Then they might kill something as well. They
I use two 5 wide 6 deep 30 man units of Skeletons in all army lists, and they are great.
So yeah, get more Skeletons.
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Alaitoc Eldar: 5000p
Vampire Counts: 3000p
Death Korps of Krieg: 7000p
World Eaters: 2000p |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/10 14:59:52
Subject: VC what next
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Deadly Dire Avenger
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Would you say VC is more a of a reactive force (shifting their own ranks to prevent being flanked) or proactive force (forcing the opponent to shift his own ranks to react to threats)?
I ask because from what I have read VC seems sort of like a combination Tyranids (swarms that overwhelm and can generate new troops), and 4th ed. Eldar (requiring as many buffs and debuffs as possible). But the VC are apparently slow unlike the nids and eldar.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/11 02:13:04
Subject: VC what next
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Norn Queen
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Just be aware what you're getting into - a box of skeletons is a pittance of what you'll need. A 2000pts army needs 500pts of Core. 50 skeletons comes out to 250pts, though you can bulk it up by throwing in Ghouls as well (25 come to 250pts).
A vampire counts army is expensive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/11 09:08:02
Subject: VC what next
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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You've got a single box of skeleton warriors? That's 10 models, right? You need a LOT more. I use a unit of 50 skeletons in my army, and that's not even half of my core requirement at 2400 points. Loki is right - VC are expensive. There are ways to make it cheaper that involve NOT buying GW models, though. Anyway, yeah skeletons are just as good as the other core in the sense that none of them are bad in the larger picture of overall strategy for the army. I would say that VC are a proactive army, but not in the sense you mentioned (shifting ranks). I don't really know what you mean by "shifting ranks" - in fantasy, for the most part, you rarely change your configuration of ranks once the game starts. A unit's capabilities will almost always determine a "best" configuration, and the game is really more about maneuvering so that your units get the best matchup at the right time.
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Vampire Counts 2400
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/12 03:55:36
Subject: VC what next
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Terrifying Treeman
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Megildur_Dorsidhion wrote:Would you say VC is more a of a reactive force (shifting their own ranks to prevent being flanked) or proactive force (forcing the opponent to shift his own ranks to react to threats)?
I ask because from what I have read VC seems sort of like a combination Tyranids (swarms that overwhelm and can generate new troops), and 4th ed. Eldar (requiring as many buffs and debuffs as possible). But the VC are apparently slow unlike the nids and eldar.
Vampires are a very proactive army, they rely on taking the bare minimum of mediocre at best core units and then taking big nasties and shoving them right down the opponent's throat.
These units include:
Blender Lords (Super combat based vampires, capable of destroying units in their own right).
Blood Knights (Arguably the best heavy cav in the game).
Terrorgheists (A very flexible monster that can scream and enemy units and still put up a decent fight in combat).
Black Knight Buses (Large units of Black Knights that usually escort multiple killy vampires)
Mortis Engines (Gives a casting bonus and regen to nearby units).
Coven Thrones (The Hardest chariot in the game to kill).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/16 07:15:13
Subject: VC what next
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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VCs are a surprisingly well balanced army compared to anything 40k, skeletons are good but no better or worse than zombies or ghouls.
I personally like a unit of 40 skeletons, the screaming banner and a couple of units of 5 wolves to support them. Skeletons are harder to kill than zombies but won't kill more than 1 or 2 enemy models a turn, the banner however can change everything if it drops your opponent to WS1 by making them fail their fear check.
Zombies die by the fistful and come back by the fistful if you have a good magic phase, they will never ever, ever kill anything or win a right.
Ghouls are expensive and come with a giant target on their backs but they are our only Core that can kill things with any sort of reliability.
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