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Fluffwise how powerful is a Necron Tesseract Vault compared to all the other heavy hitters out there? Does any of the novels have any info about them?

Well, considering how it uses the power of an enslaved god, I would say pretty powerful.

Considering that they can contain a warp entity permanently I'd say pretty powerful.

Theoretically, you could trap one of the Chaos Gods in one.

A C'Tan is about as far away from a.Warp entity as it is possible to get.
But yeah, probably pretty powerful, considering that it holds a shard of a God that used to feed on stars and the life force of entire races, gave the Eldar Gods a run for their money and is older than the galaxy itself, my money is on the Vaults being pretty bloody powerful, even if most of that power is being used to imprison a C'Tan.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Considering that they can contain a warp entity permanently I'd say pretty powerful.

Theoretically, you could trap one of the Chaos Gods in one.

C'tan aren't from the warp. They are creatures born in stars.

C'Tan are like, the opposite of the warp. Whatever technology in the vault is holding them is entirely of the physical realm.

In the GK codex Tesseract Labyrinths can capture daemons. If the Vault is just a bigger version who knows what it could trap.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Considering that they can contain a warp entity permanently I'd say pretty powerful.

Theoretically, you could trap one of the Chaos Gods in one.

C'tan aren't from the warp. They are creatures born in stars.

They can capture both. Capturing a being from another dimension is probably more difficult than capturing one from this dimension.

The GKs use them to contain powerful daemons, and could theoretically even contain the Chaos Gods.

That's sort of like saying a bucket I use to carry water could theoretically contain the Pacific Ocean.

Is there any fluff that actually says they could theoretically contain the Chaos Gods?

The technology itself, yes. Not the current Tesseracts.

The GK codex says the GKs believe the Tesseracts may be the key to a lasting victory against chaos. Implying they could somehow trap the gods themselves within them.

Well, the necrons did come up with pylon technlogy, which has the ability to contain the warp. Theretically if you could somehow cram the gods into a set of necron technology, you could hold them. But considering that the gods are presumably typically spread/stretched across the entire friggin' galaxy, you'd have to trick them into condensing into a single area first and likely manifesting in the mortal realm in some fashion (which is one of the reasons why they abandoned Horus before the Emperor blasted him according to one poster about the Chaos Marine codex)

....it'd probably take something a LOT more powerful than a single tesseract vault. Those things only contain a SHARD of a c'tan, not an entire c'tan. Given that the necrons built a ship that could be mistaken for an entire friggin' planet, it wouldn't be surprising if they had a tesseract vault that friggin' HUGE out there somewhere too, but that's a plot for a GW story that will likely never be written, I imagine.

Being in another dimension, the Chaos Gods would not be anywhere in this universe, but would be completely parallel to each point in this universe at the same time.

So with the proper technology, all it would take is the correct sized Tesseract and be as simple as poking its business end into the Warp. Theoretically, you could make a Tesseract large enough to contain the entire Warp. As a non-physical thing, it would take up no mass in this universe. Only information to be stored within the Tesseract.

What was the ship that was as big as a planet?

There were two Necron constructs that were planetary in scale with locomotive capabilities.

The World Engine, a massive ship that required a segmentum's fleet (IIRC) plus lots of Astartes and the sacrifice of almost a full chapter of Space Marines to take down, and Iori Delta Tove, a dormant space station that could phase throughout the galaxy randomly and was able to rewrite history with its mere presence. The Ordo Malleus suspected this was Daemonic in origin, so sent a contingent of Grey Knights to investigate and destroy it, and when it turned out to be Necron-related they went through its halls and planted bombs and gak throughout it. At the end of the engagement, the GKs teleported out, and Iori Delta Tove phased away. If it is still functional is unknown.

Don't forget, a tesseract vault in the material universe could be as big as an iPod Shuffle, a dice even. If you read the codex I'm fairly sure it says that the Vault isn't literally in this dimensional plane, but the object present in this dimension is really just a "gateway" for lack of a better term.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Considering that they can contain a warp entity permanently I'd say pretty powerful.

Theoretically, you could trap one of the Chaos Gods in one.

C'tan aren't from the warp. They are creatures born in stars.

I remember someone saying that the C'tan are the angry souls of dead stars or some goobledeguk. Probably bogus but it'd be metal as feth.

Doesn't the tesseract labyrinth allow the containment of an object in another parallel universe? So the thing it's containing is not actually in the tess itself? and by extension it would not matter how big or powerful the "thing" is? you are just moving it to another universe and letting them deal with the problem

The vault then would be a different technology (a bigger version of a shard), containing something in this reality within this reality?

I would presume that a labyrinth would not be able to contain the Ctan god as it may just be able to phase itself back to its preferred universe? but it may be able to contain a chaos god if they don't have the capacity to jump between parallel universes?

Unstoppable in the Necron Codex

Easily defeated in a Space Marine codex.

Well, it siphons off a Star Gods power, and allows it to pretty much alter reality with Anti-matter Meteors and falling stars.

I'd say it's pretty powerful!