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Hello dakka, Been mulling over what i wanted to build my Eldar list over. Decided I wanted to go with a Wraith theme but I still wanted the list to be semi-competitive without being too min-maxy. Here's what I'm looking at so far:

HQs:

Spiritseer - 70
2 powers from Runes of battle

Farseer - 120
Eldar Jetbike, Singing Spear

Troops:

9x Windrider Jetbike Squad - 183
3x Shuriken Cannon

5x Wraithgaurd w/ Wave Serpent - 325
Wave Serpent: Holo Fields, Crystal Targeting Matrix

5x Wraithgaurd w/ Wave Serpent - 300
Wave Serpent: Holo Fields

Heavy Support:

Wraithknight - 250
Ghost Glaive and Scattershield

Wraithknight - 250
Ghost Glaive and Scattershield

Total: 1498

Removing the two heavy wraithcannons on the Wraithknights is something I would not do. They are simply too powerful and the Ghost Glaive does not have enough of a benefit for me to want to swap them for anything.

i switched the guns out on the wraithknights bc the guard units should be enough firepower plus the serpents to handle any high S weaponry needs. Maybe some playtesting is needed to see wither the 12" range on the guard popping out of the serpents is enough to get the job done or not. Plus....the glaive is cool and id like a CC aspect to my army especially on a jump MC that size XD. And now that I'm looking back, my points for the serpents are off, they should be 135 (holofields, bright lance) and 160 for the one with the CTM so i have some extra points to throw around.


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Re-updated the list, here's the changes:

HQs:

Spiritseer - 70
2 powers from Runes of battle

Farseer - 135
Eldar Jetbike, Singing Spear, The Spirit Stone of Anath'lan

Troops:

9x Windrider Jetbike Squad - 183
3x Shuriken Cannon

5x Wraithgaurd w/ Wave Serpent - 295
Wave Serpent: Holo Fields, Bright Lance

5x Wraithgaurd w/ Wave Serpent - 295
Wave Serpent: Holo Fields, Bright Lance

Heavy Support:

Wraithknight - 260
Scatter Laser

Wraithknight - 260
Scatter Laser

Total: 1498

Oh I totally agree that the Ghost Glaive is fly as the dickens, but in-game it just doesn't provide enough of a benefit. A conversion I was thinking of was to have the two HWCs on the arms and the Ghost Glaive across the back, or have the two HWCs either on the hips or across the back and the GG in hand. Either way, the model still have both, so of you wanted to switch it wouldn't be hard. Also, magnets.

As for the new list, I like it. It may have a few issues with Flyers, though.

well, my local meta is pretty much anti flyer, so unless i go outside my local gaming group i prolly wont be seeing flyers or maybe just one. My whole plan regarding them with this list though would be to just ignore them and hope the redonculously high T on the wraiths is good enough to weather the fire from a flyer. Their main concerns would be helldrakes and valks, but there is pretty much zero I can do for that (cheese units and all, i mean heck one well placed turkey template could wipe out an entire WG unit in one shot). If all else fails, there's always the desperate hail of snap shots albiet S10 AP 2 snap shots to hopefully one shot a flyer basically auto penning pretty much anything other than the cheese flyers and the SR.

I would take scatter lasers over Bright lances on the Serpents. Twin linking that shield is brutal!

Spirit stone isn't really needed on the Farseer. It is better on the Spiritseer if you're going Iyanden as the primaris is pretty amazing but warp charge 2.

The Suncannon Wraithknight is basically the equal to yours in combat but also a threat at range. The issue the Knight has compared to say the Lord is that it is not a Character. That means PFs and force weapons in squads are a huge threat to it. Also for the exact same points a Dreadknight kills your Wraith Knight everytime in combat. Unfortunately the Wraithknight just isn't the combat beast you want it to be.

I agree with others that the basic config would suit your list better. Then find points to D-Scythes on the guard. Preferably with vectored engines on their Serpents for extra threat range.

Yeah, the wraith Knight isn't a combat god or a ranged shooty model. It's both. It's the type of model you fire at terminators, kill two or three, then charge them to kill off survivors.

well beyond the wraithknight loadout, I have been looking at other lists and see that other players bring multiple units of bikes or just no bikes at all, is it even worth bringing a unit of them if I only have one?


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or maybe dropping the man count on the big one, and breakign it apart, maybe dropping a couple to fit 2 warlocks into the units?

The new new! list:

HQs:

Spiritseer - 70
2 powers from Runes of battle

Farseer - 120
Eldar Jetbike, Singing Spear

(Warlock Council)

2x Warlocks - 110
Singing Spear, Eldar Jetbike

Troops:

4x Windrider Jetbike Squad - 78
1x Shuriken Cannon

3x Windrider Jetbike Squad - 61
1x Shuriken Cannon

5x Wraithgaurd w/ Wave Serpent - 290
Wave Serpent: TL Scatter Laser, Shuriken Cannon

5x Wraithgaurd w/ Wave Serpent - 290
Wave Serpent: TL Scatter Laser, Shuriken Cannon

Heavy Support:

Wraithknight - 240

Wraithknight - 240


Total: 1499

Warlocks go to each jetbike squad with farseer in one as well, spiritseer will join a WG unit in one of the WS...any thoughts on the changes would be helpfull

Why the brightlances on the wave serpents, I would go scatterlaser with underslung shurikannon - if you move 6" you can shoot the SL, shuri cannon and the shield which is hella good.
If running the farseer in a bike squad I would put him in at least a 6 man squad, you could drop the warlock for the 2nd squad to boost the first
I agree with the wraithknights - double d-cannons or if trading out the sunrifle with shield and a scatterlaser... I have had good luck with both and the one is good antivehicle and mc and the other is great at killing squads - I have killed so many things with my Suncannon it is amazing... but I think the glaive with shield - you need guns and only being able to take scatterlasers, starcannons or shuri kannons is not that great...

the main reason i have serpents is to ferry my WG into their 12" range, so they will probably never move 6 inch or less, but i might try out the scatter laser if the bright lance just seems like over saturation of high S low AP firepower with no anti-infantry weapons like scatter lasers. And would maybe dropping the Holo-fields from the WS to give them cannons wound free up enough points to add another model to the farseers bike squad i think...

I have only stayed away fro mthe suncannon bc its a 40 point upgrade alone for one gun, and i have horrible luck with scatter die XD. I've killed my own monolith from its own weapon.....


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edited the list to show my changes above

Well I'd drop one Wraithknight. Two are too much at this pt level. I'd a bit more variety, say three Warwalkers.

too much how? As in cheesy? or just point wise taking up to much space

I would try and find the points to give at least one squad of wraith guard d scythes. Those things are one of the most brutally anti infinity guns in The game. I have used them for great success, whatever they unload near, is a next to garutnee kill. I've killed Mephistopheles and a dreadnought with them in one turn of shooting. Not to mention next turn moving up and destroying 10 assult with a priest. And if anyone evn tries to assult them, well theirs gonna be a whole lots less of them.

If you want to take the suncannon you can take a scatter laser with it so you get to reroll the scatter die when shooting (I also have a talent for terrible rolling so that's probably going to be very helpful for me!).

300 points for one model...ouch...