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Hi, I'm in the finals for a 1k tournament and my apponent is playing tau I need some tactics wondering if anyone has any ideas? Here's my list:
Kff mek,
2 deff rola battle wagons
, 40 shootas
aiges defence line with quad gun
, 3 big guns,
10 gretchin and 10 lootas
Here is my apponents:
riptide
, 12 fw
, etheral
, aun'va
, hammerhead
, skyray
, 3 battlesuits
Thanks for your feed back and sorry if this is the wrong section.

Somethin tells me you missed battlewagons lol but im assuming theyre there because of the rollas.
The instant your sides are visible those wagons are dead. Tau can clean up light armorr like its nobodies business. Kff will help since it either wastes 2 marks or lets you have a save.
If you can get close enough to get out before the wagon blows, yiur list should work. Running on a bit of luck though.

Thanks, and your right about the battle wagons

Battlewagons are the way to go, but I found out that I rather have a warboss with mega-armour then the KFF mek because with him I don't fear those explosions that are about to happen anyway. You can take those explosion hits with your warboss unit you got a wound and then go "look out sir".

example:

warboss with mega-armour: 115
warboss with mega-armour: 115

16 shootaboyz with powerclaw-nob: 136
18 shootaboyz: 108
18 shootaboyz: 108

battlewagon with deffrolla and big shoota: 115
battlewagon with deffrolla and big shoota: 115
battlewagon with deffrolla and big shoota: 115

5 loota's: 75
5 loota's: 75

This way you can choose to put both warboss in the small ork group with powerclaw-nob to form a small-deathstar unit to take down riptides and stuff.. or you just put them in the other wagons to devide your threats.. Sumtimes its better to put those loota's in reserve so you don't give away first blood and you can still snapshot at those flyers.

Thanks but I can't change my list now because I'm already in the tournament

How many different 'tactics' can Orks do with a list like that?

You've got just one; "put dudes in wagons and drive forwards"

Try to run the battlewagons close to each other on one flank with the mek.

Battlewagons are the way to go, but I found out that I rather have a warboss with mega-armour then the KFF mek because with him I don't fear those explosions that are about to happen anyway. You can take those explosion hits with your warboss unit you got a wound and then go "look out sir".

Correct me if im wrong, but isnt there a FAQ that changed how wounds from an explosion works? I seem to remember something saying you cant take all the explosion wounds on that boss anymore (which sadly makes sense).
Though i cant seem to find it, maybe it got removed or im just hallucinating.

EDIT: Oh wait, found it. Its not a FAQ directly saying it, its an errata rewriting the paragraph to remove you allocate the wounds however you want. Funny part is, it gives no indication how its allocated then...so wtf was the point of that errata?

Lol

 Vineheart01 wrote:

Battlewagons are the way to go, but I found out that I rather have a warboss with mega-armour then the KFF mek because with him I don't fear those explosions that are about to happen anyway. You can take those explosion hits with your warboss unit you got a wound and then go "look out sir".

Correct me if im wrong, but isnt there a FAQ that changed how wounds from an explosion works? I seem to remember something saying you cant take all the explosion wounds on that boss anymore (which sadly makes sense).
Though i cant seem to find it, maybe it got removed or im just hallucinating.

EDIT: Oh wait, found it. Its not a FAQ directly saying it, its an errata rewriting the paragraph to remove you allocate the wounds however you want. Funny part is, it gives no indication how its allocated then...so wtf was the point of that errata?

No it doesn't. when you look at the FAQ its saying:

Reference Section – The Game Summary, Transport Vehicles and Their Passengers, Explodes (Other Effects). Change the entry to read “The unit takes a number of Strength 4 AP – hits equal to the number of models in the unit. Surviving passengers are placed where the vehicle used to be and must take a Pinning test.”

So it's referring to the game summary at the back of the rulebook. It doesn't change the rule on page 80 that still implies the controlling player allocates any wounds caused.

Oh, whoops yea thats different.

Ignore me.

Quick note, but I saw a previous poster mention that you should keep your battlewagons close and run them up the side. If you see Riptides with Ion Cannons do NOT put your wagons close together. If you do you'll end up with single shot S9 AP2 blast templates that can be laid in such a way as to hit 2 wagons at once, with no cover and great BS.

Also, remain cautious of a deepstrike behind your wagons that shows their back armor on turn 2. Ork transports may have nice forward armor, but the backs are made out of cardboard.. Heck a single stealth team can ruin your day if properly infiltrated to give them a line of sight/firing vantage point across the back side of your approach.

Best of luck!

Ignores Cover applies to the unit unless its given by a buffmander's CnC node (i always mix up which one does what, all i remember is same costs but ones twinlink ones ignore cover ) so the second battlewagon would get its 5+ cover, but yea its still not a good thing. And if you think about it it makes sense because its a targeting system marking a unit granting the better aim, why would it affect something next to it that its not lighting up?

KFF is a 12" range from the hull of the vehicle the mek is embarked, pi plate is what 5" diameter? very easy to have the cover and not be in double-smack range since it only has to touch the model to give it cover, not fully envelope it.

Either way, i dont think the battlewagons will last long. I'd advise him to disembark even if hes slightly out of charge range because a BW explosion hurts the boyz inside way more than peopel think, and youre right if that crisis team shows up behind the battlewagon (or stealth team for that matter) its toast even with its 5+ cover.

KFF is a 6" from the hull of the wagon not 12", but I agree... Exploding battle wagons = doom for embarked green skins.

His Skyray is a one trick pony, with a limited number of missiles, its main purpose after firing its missiles will be marker light. The ethereal and Aun Va will probably be used to boost the amount of shots the fire warriors put out and keep them holding a line.

The ethereals themselves are weak in both ranged and CC, I don't know anything about Ork's as I haven't battled them yet, but as a Tau player I don't think that the Tau list is something I would take against Orks... The Riptide and Hammerhead may be the biggest worries though, is it has Feel no pain, and shielded missile drone's, it will be a pain to destroy.

Bleh today is not my day lol ive played orks far longer than tau and im forgetting basic rules for them
No idea where i got the 12" from.

I go blitzed 8 nill, killed just about everything turn 1. So I came second in the tournament over all.

Sadly, a battlewagon list is probably the worst thing you could have run aside from walkers and maybe fliers.

Though tbh theres very little Orks can do against Tau because of the huge power disparity in the strength of their respective army books.

Everything died turn one when the gunline Tau rolled first turn

Sadly thats pretty representative of 'competitive' 40k. This is very much a game of who can take the biggest gunline and roll first turn.

The most ridiculous part is that GW had a balancing mechanism in place to compensate for this, called night fighting.

Then they went and handed out "ignore balance" for little points or free in every single gunline army.

Ignoring nightfighting wouldnt be as bad even if it was given for free if only big guns had it, say only Riptides or Hammerheads in the tau codex could get it at all rather than any suit/vehicle getting it for free/1pt.

Keep in mind that most new codices also get to ignore cover in one way or another, which also ignores night fighting below 36" range.

Night fighting pretty much does nothing at all.