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I have a fluff question concerning a World Eaters Librarian. I know they where not as widespread as in some of the other legions but the pre-heresy World Eaters did have Librarians though most where killed when the Legion turned to Khorne.

I've got a character I'm making that was a Terran born World Eaters assault librarian who escaped the slaughter of his fellow WE Librarians and dedicated himself to Tzeentch. He rides a jetbike which has had a Screamer of Tzeentch bound within it, he is hated by those World Eaters sane enough to remember him and is constantly being hunted.

My question is would anyone have any serious objections to the fluff?

There shouldn't be any issue with a librarian turning to Tzeentch. However why would a librarian attached to an assault company have a jetbike rather than a jump pack?

Because he's too awesome to use a jetpack. And bikes add toughness in gameplay

 motyak wrote:
There shouldn't be any issue with a librarian turning to Tzeentch. However why would a librarian attached to an assault company have a jetbike rather than a jump pack?

Pre-heresy legions had jetbikes and for the World Eaters it makes sense that they would use the jetbikes in an assault role not to mention that fact that the World Eaters had alot of assault companies doesn't mean the entire legio used jetpacks. Plus coolness factor, and it's another way to represent a disc of Tzeentch.

I'm just asking because, as I understand it, jetbikes would function in more of a scout role, and in support of the other bike units and companies, rather than an assault role.

Why not just say he is on a disc now that he is a sorcerer of tzeentch?

The legions were large enough that any particular piece of gear could be found in any role depending on the legion. So I see nothing wrong with it.

It's possible the bike wasn't originally his but was stolen from another marine when he fled to the protection of Tzeentch, and was later augmented using those same gifts.

 motyak wrote:
Why not just say he is on a disc now that he is a sorcerer of tzeentch?

Because just throwing him on an disc like every other sorcerer out there is lazy, boring and fairly common. And I want to model the character on a jetbike

My only thoughts on the subject would be that the World Eaters as a whole seemed to have a natural tendency to be bloodthirsty and violent due to their geneseed, as well as the butchers nails. So a World Eater that went against this natural idea is very rare or didn't happen at all (in my thoughts). But to say that it is impossible? That's not really fair to you or the story in general.

So basically what I am saying is that some will probably vehemently refuse to believe the idea behind it and give you crap for it (also known as low lifes). But it really is up to you and how you want your general and his backstory to be.

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

 motyak wrote:
Why not just say he is on a disc now that he is a sorcerer of tzeentch?

Because just throwing him on an disc like every other sorcerer out there is lazy, boring and fairly common. And I want to model the character on a jetbike

The only issue I see, (not with the modeling as long as you use the proper base as a disc would use) is that jetbikes weren't common from what I remember, to the point that the few that were destroyed left sammael with the only one. I could be wrong and of course like someone else said, you could just say it was stolen. I dig the idea though

 Gharron wrote:

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

 motyak wrote:
Why not just say he is on a disc now that he is a sorcerer of tzeentch?

Because just throwing him on an disc like every other sorcerer out there is lazy, boring and fairly common. And I want to model the character on a jetbike

The only issue I see, (not with the modeling as long as you use the proper base as a disc would use) is that jetbikes weren't common from what I remember, to the point that the few that were destroyed left sammael with the only one. I could be wrong and of course like someone else said, you could just say it was stolen. I dig the idea though

They were more common during the Heresy and Sammael has the last known bike in Imperial control. The chances of a Chaos Marine who was alive during the Heresy having one are much greater, also I've always liked the idea of the Imperium finding a Space Hulk that still had a squadron of intact Jetbikes inside after all that's why they are so valued is because they often house valuable technology. As to the idea that he stole the bike I'm going to stick with the idea that it was his to begin with.

I do like how there have been more questions raised about the fact that he's got a jetbike than anything else

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

 Gharron wrote:

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

 motyak wrote:
Why not just say he is on a disc now that he is a sorcerer of tzeentch?

Because just throwing him on an disc like every other sorcerer out there is lazy, boring and fairly common. And I want to model the character on a jetbike

The only issue I see, (not with the modeling as long as you use the proper base as a disc would use) is that jetbikes weren't common from what I remember, to the point that the few that were destroyed left sammael with the only one. I could be wrong and of course like someone else said, you could just say it was stolen. I dig the idea though

They were more common during the Heresy and Sammael has the last known bike in Imperial control. The chances of a Chaos Marine who was alive during the Heresy having one are much greater, also I've always liked the idea of the Imperium finding a Space Hulk that still had a squadron of intact Jetbikes inside after all that's why they are so valued is because they often house valuable technology. As to the idea that he stole the bike I'm going to stick with the idea that it was his to begin with.

I do like how there have been more questions raised about the fact that he's got a jetbike than anything else

Meh, I've just never heard of them being common =P but good on ya man I dig the whole "made my own HQ feel "

In game terms he will just be a sorcerer on a disc of tzeentch, it's just fluff and model wise that he will have a jetbike

 Ignatius wrote:
My only thoughts on the subject would be that the World Eaters as a whole seemed to have a natural tendency to be bloodthirsty and violent due to their geneseed, as well as the butchers nails. So a World Eater that went against this natural idea is very rare or didn't happen at all (in my thoughts). But to say that it is impossible? That's not really fair to you or the story in general.

So basically what I am saying is that some will probably vehemently refuse to believe the idea behind it and give you crap for it (also known as low lifes). But it really is up to you and how you want your general and his backstory to be.

World Eater librarians weren't given the butchers nails after it was discovered that the nails had a tendency of making them violently explode.

 motyak wrote:
I'm just asking because, as I understand it, jetbikes would function in more of a scout role, and in support of the other bike units and companies, rather than an assault role.

Old skool answer:
First sentence of the 1st edition army list entry for Space Marine Librarians:
Librarians are battle-scribes with important communications and reconnaissance duties.

Librarians are very useful for recon, they can psychically detect opposing scouts. Can literally tear vital information from enemy prisoners and then transmit that information to another librarian back at base. Its annoying that GW has forgotten this fact and reduced them to one-dimensional boomsticks.

A Jetbike still works for a boomstick tho. He can deep strike along with the jump pack guys but doesn't require a gunship to be sent in if he needs to be shifted to the opposite flank.

Pre-Heresy World Eaters used to have a lot of bikes in their ranks. Just the new Khorne stuff is all about close combat. So it fits perfectly fine for him to use a bike instead of a jetpack.

Speeders, bikes and jetpacks were widely spread in the WE legion and even tanks and all that pew-pew stuff. Hence even Perturabo was impressed by their firepower at one point.
Pure "close combat" was mainly for the first wave were the second one had heavy stuff to crack the tough nuts and depending on the mission bikes/speeder were used a lot too.
I cant say much about libbys in the WE ranks but I dont know anything that speaks against your idea either so go with it.

SerQuintus wrote:

 motyak wrote:
I'm just asking because, as I understand it, jetbikes would function in more of a scout role, and in support of the other bike units and companies, rather than an assault role.

Old skool answer:
First sentence of the 1st edition army list entry for Space Marine Librarians:
Librarians are battle-scribes with important communications and reconnaissance duties.

As much as I love the old fluff, it is hard to say which parts of it are still relevant, and which aren't. They haven't mentioned libby's in that role for a long time, so I think it's safe to say that it's a bit dated, much like a lot of the stuff from back then (half eldar/human SMs to name another)

 Omegus wrote:

Spoiler:

The remaining Librarians of the World Eaters gave their lives trying to keep Angron from becoming a daemon prince, and were either psychically crushed by Lorgar, eaten by Angron, or cut up by their fellow Legionnaires and then fed to Angron.

Which was awesome.

Which books is that in?

Be curious to find out myself, as far as I know in current fluff Lorgar was a very limited psyker. And the WE fluff says that the Legions Librarians where hunted down after the Legion turned to Khorne. Yet if Omegus' post is correct then the Legion didn't turn to Khorne untill Angron actually ascended to daemonhood (since the librarians would have still been around to try and stop him) which I believe wasn't untill after the seige of Terra.

This is in Betrayer, personally one of the top 3 best Heresy books in the series.

With the book Betrayer, Angron's been retconned into turning into a daemon prince before the Siege of Terra. Ditto for Fulgrim (who was the first. Or Magnus was). A bit odd how Angron and Fulgrim had to go through a ritual (one by Lorgar, the other instigated by Fulgrim) to become daemon princes, though. I kinda liked the old fluff better where the gods themselves made the primarchs into daemon princes directly, instead of indirectly leading the primarchs on how to do it (if the gods even did that much). I understand that the gods are supposed to be nearly impossible for humans to comprehend, but the whole thing makes them feel almost as esoteric as whether or not the Emperor exists in the 40th Millenium, as opposed to how other fluff has always been quite clear that the chaos gods DO exist (to the point where the changeling could cut Slaanesh's hair or give Khorne a nurgling whoopee cushion).

Lorgar's been revealed to have latent psychic powers for a while now. They've only just recently started awakening more and more, though.

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Be curious to find out myself, as far as I know in current fluff Lorgar was a very limited psyker. And the WE fluff says that the Legions Librarians where hunted down after the Legion turned to Khorne. Yet if Omegus' post is correct then the Legion didn't turn to Khorne untill Angron actually ascended to daemonhood (since the librarians would have still been around to try and stop him) which I believe wasn't untill after the seige of Terra.

To address your points:

The book is Betrayer.
After his apotheosis, Lorgar is the second strongest Primarch psychically, enough to be able to briefly dominate Horus. His power is also further augmented by hidden lore he has into the daemonic, which allows him to plumb the depths of the Immaterium where it otherwise would be too risky even for a master psyker.

The World Eaters did hunt down the remaining Legion Librarians as they were turning to Khorne.

In the HH timeline, the Legion turned to Khorne before the Siege. Of course, this is a very general designator, since they are at this point just a hair more feral than normal, and still maintain Legion discipline and organization (or what passes for that among the World Eaters). They won't go full-blown random packs of berserkers (where they truly turned the Khorne, as far as I'm concerned) until Kharn's betrayal. As the most level-headed and rational of the World Eaters, Kharn's fall was basically the last gasp of any nobility they may have had remaining.