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 JOHIRA wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
@Johira

That would make sense if it wasn't taking most stores 3 weeks to get new product in.

Are most stores taking 3 weeks to get new product in? All I've seen reported here was, "Oh no, we won't have enough for you! Just kidding, buy as much as you want!"

The two stores near me certainly didn't get much in the way of new product for April's release. They both got a small number of Riptides and no broadsides. One sold out most of their Tau and had a small restock of Hammerheads as well as a couple Crisis Teams leftover from release. The stock of Tau at the other store was a pair of Farsights and a single Piranha. Both stores can usually be relied on to carry almost all GW releases, and have a track record of being well-supplied (e.g. - the second store had 3 copies of Death from the Skies on the rack). If both of them don't have stock 2 weeks after release, something got fouled up badly by GW.

You know i might be wrong but it kind of looks like you can build both phoenixes from that kit? I cant see any common parts. Maybe the front of the wings if they are multipart?

 DiabolicAl wrote:
You know i might be wrong but it kind of looks like you can build both phoenixes from that kit? I cant see any common parts. Maybe the front of the wings if they are multipart?

That is how it appears to me as well. I could see the body and heads being shared, but the wings and tails look entirely different and I don't see any seams on the wings to denote swappable parts.

They box in the preview makes it seem like it is a single minature kit methinks.

It would be very unlike GW to give you two kits. But there are a LOT of different parts. Head (unless there is a seperate crest) back edge of wings, tail. back. (maybe the belly is shared)

Be interesting to see the sprues tomorrow.

This was posted on ulthuan and I'm hoping one of you guys in the know can confirm. Sounds way to good to be true:

Martial Prowess
High Elves enjoy a 6+ Parry save regardless of what weapon they're wielding. In addition, High Elves can always make supporting attacks with an additional rank.

Elven Weapons
High Elves ignore the ASL rule when carrying Great Weapons and ignore any negative shooting modifiers when making ranged attacks.

Yeah I am thinking that the Elven Weapons is just some wish-listing, not something that's actually true. At least I hope so. Otherwise, what was the point in changing the ruling to Speed of Asuryan if they meant to keep the mechanic the same.

Same goes for the negative shooting modifiers thing. Sounds just as implausible.

Had someone say on that forum that White Lions were going to be able to use their two handed axes one handed, and made of elven metal so they get asf back, gain extra armour, and drop in price. I am waiting till the book actually comes out and we can have some correct information.

mrfantastical wrote:
This was posted on ulthuan and I'm hoping one of you guys in the know can confirm. Sounds way to good to be true:

Martial Prowess
High Elves enjoy a 6+ Parry save regardless of what weapon they're wielding. In addition, High Elves can always make supporting attacks with an additional rank.

Elven Weapons
High Elves ignore the ASL rule when carrying Great Weapons and ignore any negative shooting modifiers when making ranged attacks.

The ignoring modifiers would make archers and RBT's actually worth taking, so I'm hopeful for that bit.

 Aerethan wrote:
The ignoring modifiers would make archers and RBT's actually worth taking, so I'm hopeful for that bit.

Given their BS, it would make TK sad.

 kirsanth wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
The ignoring modifiers would make archers and RBT's actually worth taking, so I'm hopeful for that bit.

Given their BS, it would make TK sad.

BS4 is well and fine, but the old price per archer AND being single shot 24" range S3 was just not worth it.

Now BS4 no modifiers single shot 24" S3 I can live with, especially considering the rumored price drop. It makes them worth taking at all(I still wouldn't run more than 20 in an army).

It also makes LSG far tastier.

 Aerethan wrote:

 DiabolicAl wrote:
You know i might be wrong but it kind of looks like you can build both phoenixes from that kit? I cant see any common parts. Maybe the front of the wings if they are multipart?

That is how it appears to me as well. I could see the body and heads being shared, but the wings and tails look entirely different and I don't see any seams on the wings to denote swappable parts.

Don't see the problem here. It is already confirmed via WD that there is only one phoenix kit.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:

 DiabolicAl wrote:
You know i might be wrong but it kind of looks like you can build both phoenixes from that kit? I cant see any common parts. Maybe the front of the wings if they are multipart?

That is how it appears to me as well. I could see the body and heads being shared, but the wings and tails look entirely different and I don't see any seams on the wings to denote swappable parts.

Don't see the problem here. It is already confirmed via WD that there is only one phoenix kit.

The "issue" is how hard will it be to make 2 Phoenixes out of one box.

Probably not very. Different head, different lower feathers for the wings, different tail, done?

On all the pic Articuno is blue and bluish white then Moltress is red and fire effects. I imagine the red/blue parts will all be the same then the white/fire is the separate bits.

 jonolikespie wrote:
Probably not very. Different head, different lower feathers for the wings, different tail, done?

On all the pic Articuno is blue and bluish white then Moltress is red and fire effects. I imagine the red/blue parts will all be the same then the white/fire is the separate bits.

Well iirc we've seen at least 2 head options, 2 wing and 2 tail options. Meaning the body is the only part not duplicated in the kit aside from the rider.

So for me the question is do I just Sculpey a decent stand in for the body or shell out another $42 for a second box?

 Aerethan wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
Probably not very. Different head, different lower feathers for the wings, different tail, done?

On all the pic Articuno is blue and bluish white then Moltress is red and fire effects. I imagine the red/blue parts will all be the same then the white/fire is the separate bits.

Well iirc we've seen at least 2 head options, 2 wing and 2 tail options. Meaning the body is the only part not duplicated in the kit aside from the rider.

So for me the question is do I just Sculpey a decent stand in for the body or shell out another $42 for a second box?

You should wait for the body to show up on ebay for like $15 when the bitz guys get their stocks in.

furbyballer wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
Probably not very. Different head, different lower feathers for the wings, different tail, done?

On all the pic Articuno is blue and bluish white then Moltress is red and fire effects. I imagine the red/blue parts will all be the same then the white/fire is the separate bits.

Well iirc we've seen at least 2 head options, 2 wing and 2 tail options. Meaning the body is the only part not duplicated in the kit aside from the rider.

So for me the question is do I just Sculpey a decent stand in for the body or shell out another $42 for a second box?

You should wait for the body to show up on ebay for like $15 when the bitz guys get their stocks in.

That's the thing, in a $60 box where the body and rider will be the highest demanded bits, that price may go over $20. Then again $20 is still far better than $42(my discounted price).

We'll have to wait and see. So far I like the rumored rules for both variants, but I'm not sure how much room there will be in my army to fit both AND 2 eagles(or if the eagles will be needed at all).

I just want the damn book already so I can start 2 months of theorycrafting.

Eh, I love collecting models and being able to field just about anything I want, so I know I am getting both and will just get the bodies so I can have a total of four phoenixes...

Who wouldn't love the idea of running 2 dragons and 2 phoenixes?

I'm sticking with thinking that the Phoenix will not be a dual kit. The box pictures in the WD doesn't look like a dual box at all. Only bird printed on it is the fire version and it only has one title instead of two.

 Aerethan wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
Probably not very. Different head, different lower feathers for the wings, different tail, done?

On all the pic Articuno is blue and bluish white then Moltress is red and fire effects. I imagine the red/blue parts will all be the same then the white/fire is the separate bits.

Well iirc we've seen at least 2 head options, 2 wing and 2 tail options. Meaning the body is the only part not duplicated in the kit aside from the rider.

So for me the question is do I just Sculpey a decent stand in for the body or shell out another $42 for a second box?

The wings look to be two parts, main wing which is the same on both, and wingtips/trailing edge which is where all the special detail is. So more than just the body.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
Probably not very. Different head, different lower feathers for the wings, different tail, done?

On all the pic Articuno is blue and bluish white then Moltress is red and fire effects. I imagine the red/blue parts will all be the same then the white/fire is the separate bits.

Well iirc we've seen at least 2 head options, 2 wing and 2 tail options. Meaning the body is the only part not duplicated in the kit aside from the rider.

So for me the question is do I just Sculpey a decent stand in for the body or shell out another $42 for a second box?

The wings look to be two parts, main wing which is the same on both, and wingtips/trailing edge which is where all the special detail is. So more than just the body.

From the pics I see there aren't any seams like there are on the body. Don't get me wrong, it would make sense to make as much as possible work for both versions.

So bits sellers would want to be bundling all of the mandatory parts in order to make the most back.

 d-usa wrote:
I'm sticking with thinking that the Phoenix will not be a dual kit. The box pictures in the WD doesn't look like a dual box at all. Only bird printed on it is the fire version and it only has one title instead of two.

I think, in 3 hours you will think differently, like the rest of us.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I'm sticking with thinking that the Phoenix will not be a dual kit. The box pictures in the WD doesn't look like a dual box at all. Only bird printed on it is the fire version and it only has one title instead of two.

I think, in 3 hours you will think differently, like the rest of us.

Possibly, but sometimes I just try to be the underdog

Edit: And I just finally saw a bigger picture of the release list. Good think I'm not a rumor source or I would have bad grades!

Did I read that rumor correctly - they still have ASF? Isn't that the reason everyone is pigeonholed into taking one or two hordes of white lions? I thought there would be some more diversity.

librerian_samae over at Warseer wrote:designers notes in white dwarf confirm that sisters of avalorn bow unit IS the re-imagined Maiden Guard of the everqueen.

So the sculptor of the hand maiden didn't get the notice that Maiden Guard is scrapped and his nice attempt to copy the old style completely wasted?

Sir_Glonojad over at Warseer wrote:Designer's notes actually include a reference to androgyny of the Elves which helps with this set.

Elven maidens look like dudes with boobs. This is good news! As it shows the special background of Warhammer Elves and has nothing to do with our sculptors inability to sculpt females.

Korpacz wrote:
Did I read that rumor correctly - they still have ASF? Isn't that the reason everyone is pigeonholed into taking one or two hordes of white lions? I thought there would be some more diversity.

ASF is supposedly changing for great weapons

 pities2004 wrote:

Korpacz wrote:
Did I read that rumor correctly - they still have ASF? Isn't that the reason everyone is pigeonholed into taking one or two hordes of white lions? I thought there would be some more diversity.

ASF is supposedly changing for great weapons

Also, when were HE players pigeonholed into spamming WL? In the 7th ed. book there were a good number of ways to play HE, and WL hordes were not in every one of them.

ASF for spearmen is nice, but I'd rather they be cheaper than have it. ASF for SM's and WL's is crazy good, so there's that.

The biggest draw for ASF in HE armies is with cavalry getting to hit first on the charge.


From the rumors we've got so far, I'm optimistic that this release will be pleasant for HE players without getting all crazy(unless they sneak Teclis in with the same rules as last time but for 100 fewer points!).

 Kroothawk wrote:

librerian_samae over at Warseer wrote:designers notes in white dwarf confirm that sisters of avalorn bow unit IS the re-imagined Maiden Guard of the everqueen.

So the sculptor of the hand maiden didn't get the notice that Maiden Guard is scrapped and his nice attempt to copy the old style completely wasted?

Or they decided to create two different units based off the same idea?

It's not hard to do a "reimagining" of something that was as one dimensional as the Maiden Guard.
There's still room for the "Maiden Guard" to be present and be direct representatives of the Everqueen. The only difference (most likely) is that now the term "Sisters of Avelorn" is used to refer to those individuals who don't have her personal favor/attention while "Maiden Guard" are those who have a closer connection to the Everqueen herself.

Sir_Glonojad over at Warseer wrote:Designer's notes actually include a reference to androgyny of the Elves which helps with this set.

Elven maidens look like dudes with boobs. This is good news! As it shows the special background of Warhammer Elves and has nothing to do with our sculptors inability to sculpt females.

Or Elven dudes look like maidens without boobs?

Seriously, why is this suddenly an issue? It's always been a case of Elven males and females looking very similar--especially when actually wearing proper armor instead of form fitted cosplay garbage.

Kan, this is weak even from you.

GW sucks at scuplting females - there's no avoiding it.

Weird that they haven't 'figured' this out yet - but there it is.

How many new female models have GW released within the past decade or so?

Whens the last time they did wood elves?