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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
It's high time I derailed this thread for the good of dakka

In all honesty, who cares about scandal in the US Senate? Seriously? This pales into insignificance compared with the Andrew Jackson days, or the Senate scandals when Grant was president. American dakka members need to start reading some American history books Senate scandal

As for a Middle East arms race. Newsflash: there's always a middle eastern arms race. America will probably end up selling all sides most of the weapons anyway = boost to US economy = happy times in America. What's the fuss?

My main concern is which British political leader is going to give me the biggest tax break if they win the election in a few weeks times. That's the big issue here

inorite? If nobody is being beaten half to death with a walking stick/cane or challenged to a duel it's not a real scandal and it's irrelevant.

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
It's high time I derailed this thread for the good of dakka

In all honesty, who cares about scandal in the US Senate? Seriously? This pales into insignificance compared with the Andrew Jackson days, or the Senate scandals when Grant was president. American dakka members need to start reading some American history books Senate scandal

As for a Middle East arms race. Newsflash: there's always a middle eastern arms race. America will probably end up selling all sides most of the weapons anyway = boost to US economy = happy times in America. What's the fuss?

My main concern is which British political leader is going to give me the biggest tax break if they win the election in a few weeks times. That's the big issue here

inorite? If nobody is being beaten half to death with a walking stick/cane or challenged to a duel it's not a real scandal and it's irrelevant.

I now have this image of Nancy Pelosi and Boehner having a girl fight on the House dais.

If you read John Adams' biography, then you'll discover that Senate scandal has been going on from the minute the ink dried on the US constitution


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Prestor Jon wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
It's high time I derailed this thread for the good of dakka

In all honesty, who cares about scandal in the US Senate? Seriously? This pales into insignificance compared with the Andrew Jackson days, or the Senate scandals when Grant was president. American dakka members need to start reading some American history books Senate scandal

As for a Middle East arms race. Newsflash: there's always a middle eastern arms race. America will probably end up selling all sides most of the weapons anyway = boost to US economy = happy times in America. What's the fuss?

My main concern is which British political leader is going to give me the biggest tax break if they win the election in a few weeks times. That's the big issue here

inorite? If nobody is being beaten half to death with a walking stick/cane or challenged to a duel it's not a real scandal and it's irrelevant.

Exactly. At last, somebody gets it.


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 Frazzled wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
It's high time I derailed this thread for the good of dakka

In all honesty, who cares about scandal in the US Senate? Seriously? This pales into insignificance compared with the Andrew Jackson days, or the Senate scandals when Grant was president. American dakka members need to start reading some American history books Senate scandal

As for a Middle East arms race. Newsflash: there's always a middle eastern arms race. America will probably end up selling all sides most of the weapons anyway = boost to US economy = happy times in America. What's the fuss?

My main concern is which British political leader is going to give me the biggest tax break if they win the election in a few weeks times. That's the big issue here

inorite? If nobody is being beaten half to death with a walking stick/cane or challenged to a duel it's not a real scandal and it's irrelevant.

I now have this image of Nancy Pelosi and Boehner having a girl fight on the House dais.

Don't give the networks any ideas

I finally realized what it is that bugs me about that letter to Iran those senators signed. At its core, it seems to be saying that any deal/treaty/etc. will be subject to the approval of the Republican Party. Not the Senate as a whole, but the Republicans and the Republicans alone will be the deciding body. Sure, we all know that the majority rules these days (party before country, indeed), but for them to come right out and flat out say it like that on the international stage just feels wrong. It's just like the Grubergate thing, we all know that politicians rely on the stupidity of the public, but it's still wrong to come out and actually say it for all to hear.

Anyway, say this article on CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/18/politics/2016-election-poll-clinton-bush/index.html
A recent poll using a bunch of potential match-ups for the next election results in HRC having at least 10 point lead over everyone else. This poll was conducted after the whole email thing was in the news. I'm actually surprised Jeb Bush did so well in the polling, given his last name and all the political baggage that goes with it. Most of the match-ups are roughly the same results, so it may just be that the poll randomly only got 40-something% Republicans responding, but it could also just be that there are enough people out there who, basically, just don't know the Republican potentials compared to what they know about HRC. Once the field narrows down a bit and more information gets out to the masses, it may get more interesting. But, at this point, do the Republicans really have a powerhouse they can throw up against HRC?


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:


inorite? If nobody is being beaten half to death with a walking stick/cane or challenged to a duel it's not a real scandal and it's irrelevant.

I now have this image of Nancy Pelosi and Boehner having a girl fight on the House dais.

Don't give the networks any ideas

Pay-per-view, man, pay-per-view, and we may just balance the budget with that.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
But, at this point, do the Republicans really have a powerhouse they can throw up against HRC?

That's what I've been saying for months.

The Clinton's middle name should be "Teflon" as far as I'm concern.

 whembly wrote:

The Clinton's middle name should be "Teflon" as far as I'm concern.

Yeah, but HTC is already a corporate trademark, isn't it?
Or maybe there could be some sort of product placement deal. Heh, that's the one thing missing from politics, product placement. We need to see more politicians conspicuously drinking Coke, eating Doritos, wearing Reeboks, using Samsung phones, and driving Ford F150s.

(gets a mental image of HRC doing a Carl's Jr. commercial) O.O

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

The Clinton's middle name should be "Teflon" as far as I'm concern.

Yeah, but HTC is already a corporate trademark, isn't it?

Maybe "Teflon Hillary Clinton!"... THC!™ for short!


Great sloganing for toughness AND for weed acceptance.

Or maybe there could be some sort of product placement deal. Heh, that's the one thing missing from politics, product placement. We need to see more politicians conspicuously drinking Coke, eating Doritos, wearing Reeboks, using Samsung phones, and driving Ford F150s.

(gets a mental image of HRC doing a Carl's Jr. commercial) O.O

Ugh... need some brain bleach! Damn you Tanner... DAAAAAAAMN YOOOOOOOOU! :shakes fist:

I don't know, Hillary 'Teflon' Clinton sounds better to me. It's like announcing a wresling match

"IN THE BLUE CORNER, HILLARY 'TEFLON' CIIIIINTON!"
"AND IN THE RED CORNER MIT 'I'M-GOING-TO-BE-ELECTED-THIS-TIME-RIGHT?' ROOOMNEY!"

I'd be surprised if we don't see a anyone-but-Hillary nomination process similar to what Mitt had in 2012. I don't think they'll get anywhere but I am sure quite a few people are just... wearied by the thought of the nonstop scandal machine that will be cooking for the next like, almost a decade.

My hope is Elizabeth Warren stays out of it. It's not her moment yet, and much like Paul Ryan I think she can squander it by jumping too early.

 Ouze wrote:
I'd be surprised if we don't see a anyone-but-Hillary nomination process similar to what Mitt had in 2012. I don't think they'll get anywhere but I am sure quite a few people are just... wearied by the thought of the nonstop scandal machine that will be cooking for the next like, almost a decade.

My hope is Elizabeth Warren stays out of it. It's not her moment yet, and much like Paul Ryan I think she can squander it by jumping too early.

Although I don't like Warren I'd like her to get into the race. Would be nice to see some real policy differences between the candidates.

Just not Al Gore. The search for Manbearpig is never ending.

Ah Biden. Open mouth, insert foot
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31930414

The US Vice-President has joked with the Taoiseach (Irish prime minister) Enda Kenny that "if you're wearing orange, you're not welcome in here".

Joe Biden made the joke when he met Mr Kenny for a breakfast meeting at his home in Washington on Tuesday.

The vice-president later added that he was "only joking".

However, the Democratic Unionist Party described the remarks as "disgraceful and careless" and has called on Mr Biden to apologise.

'Slur'
DUP representative William McCrea, who is the MP for South Antrim, said he appreciated that Mr Biden said it was a joke, but added he did not view the comments as humorous.

"When Northern Ireland is making such an effort to make St Patrick's Day an inclusive celebration, Joe Biden's comments were disgraceful and careless," Mr McCrea said.

"Whether they were intended as a joke or not, the comments are a slur on those who would be known as 'orange' - i.e. Protestants.

"This term is much wider than anyone who is a member of the Orange Order. It has traditionally been used to define people from the Protestant faith.

The DUP MP said Mr Biden should "apologise for his remarks and take corrective action to prove in a practical way that people who are from a Protestant background are welcome in the White House".

"Undoubtedly if he had made such a remark about any other faith group there would be calls for his resignation," Mr McCrea added.

Mr Kenny is on a five-day visit to the United States.

His meeting with Mr Biden came ahead of a bilateral meeting with President Barack Obama.

TIL that Orange can actually be used as a slur. I'd never heard of the Orange Order before.

Biden really should apologize.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Ah Biden. Open mouth, insert foot
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31930414

The US Vice-President has joked with the Taoiseach (Irish prime minister) Enda Kenny that "if you're wearing orange, you're not welcome in here".

Joe Biden made the joke when he met Mr Kenny for a breakfast meeting at his home in Washington on Tuesday.

The vice-president later added that he was "only joking".

However, the Democratic Unionist Party described the remarks as "disgraceful and careless" and has called on Mr Biden to apologise.

'Slur'
DUP representative William McCrea, who is the MP for South Antrim, said he appreciated that Mr Biden said it was a joke, but added he did not view the comments as humorous.

"When Northern Ireland is making such an effort to make St Patrick's Day an inclusive celebration, Joe Biden's comments were disgraceful and careless," Mr McCrea said.

"Whether they were intended as a joke or not, the comments are a slur on those who would be known as 'orange' - i.e. Protestants.

"This term is much wider than anyone who is a member of the Orange Order. It has traditionally been used to define people from the Protestant faith.

The DUP MP said Mr Biden should "apologise for his remarks and take corrective action to prove in a practical way that people who are from a Protestant background are welcome in the White House".

"Undoubtedly if he had made such a remark about any other faith group there would be calls for his resignation," Mr McCrea added.

Mr Kenny is on a five-day visit to the United States.

His meeting with Mr Biden came ahead of a bilateral meeting with President Barack Obama.

er... what?

Uncle Joe apologize? Whatevuh.
Well my maybe if he puked on him then yes.
Yes I know Bush Jr was F'ed up like a football sick wise but Uncle Joe has the best laughs incidents

 Frazzled wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Ah Biden. Open mouth, insert foot
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31930414

The US Vice-President has joked with the Taoiseach (Irish prime minister) Enda Kenny that "if you're wearing orange, you're not welcome in here".

Joe Biden made the joke when he met Mr Kenny for a breakfast meeting at his home in Washington on Tuesday.

The vice-president later added that he was "only joking".

However, the Democratic Unionist Party described the remarks as "disgraceful and careless" and has called on Mr Biden to apologise.

'Slur'
DUP representative William McCrea, who is the MP for South Antrim, said he appreciated that Mr Biden said it was a joke, but added he did not view the comments as humorous.

"When Northern Ireland is making such an effort to make St Patrick's Day an inclusive celebration, Joe Biden's comments were disgraceful and careless," Mr McCrea said.

"Whether they were intended as a joke or not, the comments are a slur on those who would be known as 'orange' - i.e. Protestants.

"This term is much wider than anyone who is a member of the Orange Order. It has traditionally been used to define people from the Protestant faith.

The DUP MP said Mr Biden should "apologise for his remarks and take corrective action to prove in a practical way that people who are from a Protestant background are welcome in the White House".

"Undoubtedly if he had made such a remark about any other faith group there would be calls for his resignation," Mr McCrea added.

Mr Kenny is on a five-day visit to the United States.

His meeting with Mr Biden came ahead of a bilateral meeting with President Barack Obama.

er... what?

In Ireland "Orange" is shorthand for Protestant, as a reference to William of Orange, a prominant Protestant leader in Europe during the many wars between Catholics and Protstants. The Irish flag is green, white, and orange, with orange representing the Protestant population of Ireland. Calling someone "orange" can be an insult.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Ah Biden. Open mouth, insert foot
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31930414

The US Vice-President has joked with the Taoiseach (Irish prime minister) Enda Kenny that "if you're wearing orange, you're not welcome in here".

Joe Biden made the joke when he met Mr Kenny for a breakfast meeting at his home in Washington on Tuesday.

The vice-president later added that he was "only joking".

However, the Democratic Unionist Party described the remarks as "disgraceful and careless" and has called on Mr Biden to apologise.

'Slur'
DUP representative William McCrea, who is the MP for South Antrim, said he appreciated that Mr Biden said it was a joke, but added he did not view the comments as humorous.

"When Northern Ireland is making such an effort to make St Patrick's Day an inclusive celebration, Joe Biden's comments were disgraceful and careless," Mr McCrea said.

"Whether they were intended as a joke or not, the comments are a slur on those who would be known as 'orange' - i.e. Protestants.

"This term is much wider than anyone who is a member of the Orange Order. It has traditionally been used to define people from the Protestant faith.

The DUP MP said Mr Biden should "apologise for his remarks and take corrective action to prove in a practical way that people who are from a Protestant background are welcome in the White House".

"Undoubtedly if he had made such a remark about any other faith group there would be calls for his resignation," Mr McCrea added.

Mr Kenny is on a five-day visit to the United States.

His meeting with Mr Biden came ahead of a bilateral meeting with President Barack Obama.

er... what?

Orange, as pointed out above, is synonymous with Protestants in Northern Ireland. Joe Biden basically told the Irish Prime Minister that if he was associated with the Protestant faith then he wasn't welcome

Spoiler:

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 Frazzled wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Ah Biden. Open mouth, insert foot
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31930414

The US Vice-President has joked with the Taoiseach (Irish prime minister) Enda Kenny that "if you're wearing orange, you're not welcome in here".

Joe Biden made the joke when he met Mr Kenny for a breakfast meeting at his home in Washington on Tuesday.

The vice-president later added that he was "only joking".

However, the Democratic Unionist Party described the remarks as "disgraceful and careless" and has called on Mr Biden to apologise.

'Slur'
DUP representative William McCrea, who is the MP for South Antrim, said he appreciated that Mr Biden said it was a joke, but added he did not view the comments as humorous.

"When Northern Ireland is making such an effort to make St Patrick's Day an inclusive celebration, Joe Biden's comments were disgraceful and careless," Mr McCrea said.

"Whether they were intended as a joke or not, the comments are a slur on those who would be known as 'orange' - i.e. Protestants.

"This term is much wider than anyone who is a member of the Orange Order. It has traditionally been used to define people from the Protestant faith.

The DUP MP said Mr Biden should "apologise for his remarks and take corrective action to prove in a practical way that people who are from a Protestant background are welcome in the White House".

"Undoubtedly if he had made such a remark about any other faith group there would be calls for his resignation," Mr McCrea added.

Mr Kenny is on a five-day visit to the United States.

His meeting with Mr Biden came ahead of a bilateral meeting with President Barack Obama.

er... what?

In Ireland "Orange" is shorthand for Protestant, as a reference to William of Orange, a prominant Protestant leader in Europe during the many wars between Catholics and Protstants. The Irish flag is green, white, and orange, with orange representing the Protestant population of Ireland. Calling someone "orange" can be an insult.

Not trying to go off topic, but how is that an insult if its part of the flag? There's information i am missing here.

 Frazzled wrote:

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 Frazzled wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Ah Biden. Open mouth, insert foot
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31930414

The US Vice-President has joked with the Taoiseach (Irish prime minister) Enda Kenny that "if you're wearing orange, you're not welcome in here".

Joe Biden made the joke when he met Mr Kenny for a breakfast meeting at his home in Washington on Tuesday.

The vice-president later added that he was "only joking".

However, the Democratic Unionist Party described the remarks as "disgraceful and careless" and has called on Mr Biden to apologise.

'Slur'
DUP representative William McCrea, who is the MP for South Antrim, said he appreciated that Mr Biden said it was a joke, but added he did not view the comments as humorous.

"When Northern Ireland is making such an effort to make St Patrick's Day an inclusive celebration, Joe Biden's comments were disgraceful and careless," Mr McCrea said.

"Whether they were intended as a joke or not, the comments are a slur on those who would be known as 'orange' - i.e. Protestants.

"This term is much wider than anyone who is a member of the Orange Order. It has traditionally been used to define people from the Protestant faith.

The DUP MP said Mr Biden should "apologise for his remarks and take corrective action to prove in a practical way that people who are from a Protestant background are welcome in the White House".

"Undoubtedly if he had made such a remark about any other faith group there would be calls for his resignation," Mr McCrea added.

Mr Kenny is on a five-day visit to the United States.

His meeting with Mr Biden came ahead of a bilateral meeting with President Barack Obama.

er... what?

In Ireland "Orange" is shorthand for Protestant, as a reference to William of Orange, a prominant Protestant leader in Europe during the many wars between Catholics and Protstants. The Irish flag is green, white, and orange, with orange representing the Protestant population of Ireland. Calling someone "orange" can be an insult.

Not trying to go off topic, but how is that an insult if its part of the flag? There's information i am missing here.

The Irish flag was originally designed to show peace between both religions (hence the white between the green and orange). Orange in Ireland almost exclusively refers to Protestants.

Still not getting it but must be specific to there.

is Biden Irish or just stumble on a random color?

He made a stupid joke

 Frazzled wrote:
Still not getting it but must be specific to there.

is Biden Irish or just stumble on a random color?

Orange = Protestant Irish
Green = Catholic Irish

Biden's comment about people wearing orange not being welcome is inflamatory because of the history of Catholic vs Protestant violence in Ireland.

That said, I'm also a bit puzzled as to why this is newsworthy since Biden has been saying stupid gak for years now you'd think people would be used to it.

It's the equivalent of joking about being lucky he's not a confederate in the north. Most of the time people would probably shrug it off, but if someone is going to be offended then it will be because it is a sensitive topic for them.

 d-usa wrote:
It's the equivalent of joking about being lucky he's not a confederate in the north. Most of the time people would probably shrug it off, but if someone is going to be offended then it will be because it is a sensitive topic for them.

It should be brought up, I think, that The Troubles of Northern Ireland are still a part of living memory having only ended (in so much as the violence has for the most part effectively ended) 17 years ago, so there's going to be a lot more people who will take offence compared to the Confederate/Unionist thing.

Yeah, I was thinking that it might not be recent enough. I thought about comparing it to a Israeli joking "you're lucky that you are not Palestenian" but then I do think that this goes too far the other way.

I also want to make it clear that I didn't mean to dismiss the feeling of being offended with my comparison.

 Jihadin wrote:
He made a stupid joke

How do you know Biden is saying something stupid?



his lips will be moving.

We still need someone in the Democrat primary that is going to be anti-neo-liberalism to pull things to the left in the Dem party. I sense that the time for that sort of candidate is coming, but I don't know who it will be.

 Easy E wrote:
We still need someone in the Democrat primary that is going to be anti-neo-liberalism to pull things to the left in the Dem party. I sense that the time for that sort of candidate is coming, but I don't know who it will be.

Warren?

O'Malley?

Anyhoo...

Shot:
State Dept. Shuts Down Email After Cyber Attack

Chaser:
Hillary Clinton's E-Mail Was Vulnerable to 'Spoofing'

Connect the dots people!

 easysauce wrote:
How do you know Biden is saying something stupid?



his lips will be moving.

I think we just found Meghan Trainor's account on Dakka


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 Frazzled wrote:
Still not getting it but must be specific to there.

is Biden Irish or just stumble on a random color?

He tried to establish his bona fides on the day by cracking a really bad joke that Protestant members of the Northern Irish delegation were always going to take badly

 whembly wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
We still need someone in the Democrat primary that is going to be anti-neo-liberalism to pull things to the left in the Dem party. I sense that the time for that sort of candidate is coming, but I don't know who it will be.

Warren?

O'Malley?

Anyhoo...

Shot:
State Dept. Shuts Down Email After Cyber Attack

Chaser:
Hillary Clinton's E-Mail Was Vulnerable to 'Spoofing'

Connect the dots people!

I'm confused, are you sugesting that she used a private email so the Russians could hack the state department or something equally stupid?

Think he might be alluding that Clinton (Hilary) might have been hacked and not know it.