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The auto target rules:
How does Auto target apply when intercepting enemy units coming in from reserve?

Are units that cannot be shot at, still able to be targeted?
- If the closest enemy unit is engaged in close combat with your guys, are they automatically targeted because they are closest, and then they do nothing as you cannot shoot into units that are in close combat?

Is it auto-target, or auto-target and fire?
- Can I choose to not fire the gun, after it has automatically targeted something?



Does the Firestorm Redoubt's huge firing slit count as one fire point or does it allow more then 2 gunners to shoot out?

Does the Firestorm Redoubt's auto target Quad Icarus Lascannons (and 2 Vengeance Weapons Batteries) fire as if they are separate units, or are they part of the same unit?
- Does each target separately, or do you determine the closest target to one gun and both shoot at it?
- If they target separately, do they fire separately? Can one gun shot open a transport and the other gun shoot the contents that fell out of the transport?


Finally, where can I get the written rules without buying the models? I am relying on hearsay and BOLS, but I'd like to see the actual rules.
Specifically, does the auto-target prioritize fliers, or fliers and skimmers ?
And is jink negated in any way?

 Accipiter wrote:
Finally, where can I get the written rules without buying the models? I am relying on hearsay and BOLS, but I'd like to see the actual rules.
Specifically, does the auto-target prioritize fliers, or fliers and skimmers ?
And is jink negated in any way?

AFAIK you can't - the only way to get the rules is to buy the model.
They might be in the new apocalypse book but I'm not sure as I don't own it.

Auto target prioritizes flyers and does not negate jink.


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Well for the record, I have never seen a GW model come with rules. So you buying the model wont get you the rules.

And damn that baby is worht it's 200 points. Going to have build a nid version. To bad it is not "40k Approved", but an Apoc unit.

barnowl wrote:
Well for the record, I have never seen a GW model come with rules. So you buying the model wont get you the rules.

You have now. The 2 new fortifications have both Apoc rules and 40k stamped rules in the box.

barnowl wrote:
Well for the record, I have never seen a GW model come with rules. So you buying the model wont get you the rules.

And damn that baby is worht it's 200 points. Going to have build a nid version. To bad it is not "40k Approved", but an Apoc unit.

This is so wrong. Many models have had rules in the past.

It is 40k approved and is usable in any 40k game.

For the firepoints, pg 93 has the answer.

Players should agree before hand.

Compared to the size of the firepoints on the bastion, you could fit 10 such firepoints into that one window.

If you can't get 10 firepoints, then at least ask for 5. I think 10 models firing out of it is reasonable.

Bare minimum get 3, 1 for each facing of the window.




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@pretre, do you have the scans for the other fortifications? you can pm me if you'd like, I want to get the rules for all the new buildings.

Click to go to the gallery and zoom.

Now that's funny, so if buildings are neutral, does it fire for each player during their turn?

Because for the other buildings whoever is in it, controls it.

They aren't neutral. You purchase them, so they are yours.


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Or are you talking about if they are placed as terrain?

 pretre wrote:
They aren't neutral. You purchase them, so they are yours.


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Or are you talking about if they are placed as terrain?

Either way, once they're on the table, they're just terrain. As terrain, they have no enemy units.

For any other terrain based weapon, whoever is in B2b or occupies the building controls it, and they determine who is enemy or friendly.

And the fact you can only kill the vegeance one by shooting it, as its unmanned and cannot be occuiped it cannot be assaulted correct?

MarkyMark wrote:
And the fact you can only kill the vegeance one by shooting it, as its unmanned and cannot be occuiped it cannot be assaulted correct?

You can target it with "enemy" attacks. so that would be either a shooting attack or a close combat attack. IMO.

sirlynchmob wrote:
Either way, once they're on the table, they're just terrain. As terrain, they have no enemy units.

For any other terrain based weapon, whoever is in B2b or occupies the building controls it, and they determine who is enemy or friendly.

Incorrect for the Vengeance. The Vengeance can be fired at and fire at enemy units even if unoccupied. That's in its rules.

For the Firestorm Redoubt, correct, if there's no one in it, no automated fire and it can't be shot at.

being on battlements count as occupying for the the sake of firing the Lascannons

 pretre wrote:

barnowl wrote:
Well for the record, I have never seen a GW model come with rules. So you buying the model wont get you the rules.

And damn that baby is worht it's 200 points. Going to have build a nid version. To bad it is not "40k Approved", but an Apoc unit.

This is so wrong. Many models have had rules in the past.

It is 40k approved and is usable in any 40k game.

To the first, when and which? I honestly don't ever remember seeing a gw model ship with the game rules. It may just be that I have gotten to used to the current format and forgotten it. I would love to see it come back though.

On the second, sweeeet.

EDIT: Just saw the picture. The rules were in the box, that is a very nice thing to see.

barnowl wrote:

To the first, when and which? I honestly don't ever remember seeing a gw model ship with the game rules. It may just be that I have gotten to used to the current format and forgotten it. I would love to see it come back though.

It has happened back to 2nd edition. I believe the falcon, when it first came out, came with rules. They have done it off and on since then. I think some LOTR stuff has it, these forts, plenty more.

As for fortifications not being friendly or enemy p.121 of the BRB states very clearly that fortification are in fact friendly or enemy.

I'm necroing this thread because OP's questions are unanswered and I have pretty much the same ones as my friend is about to get one.

I'll add another question to those in the OP:

- Can this thing shoot at the unit coming from reserves as per interceptor rule if said unit isn't redoubt's priority target (say, infantry is coming via deep strike, but there is a flyer in the air, or there is another infantry unit that is closer to redoubt that the one coming from reserves)?

Are there any updates on these rules btw?

As this thread is quite old and as the rules for buildings etc have been tweaked a bit since this thread was started be best to start a new one to avoid confusion.

Feel free to start up a new one,