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Now, I'm no expert at what exactly Truescale and Heroic Scale are, but seeing as they are both variants of the 28mm scale I presume it's more to do with body proportions or more chunky looking models. My question is, if I were to put what I presume to be 28mm Truescale heads (Victrix 28mm Historical models) on one of GW's 28mm Heroic scale bodies, will the two components match each other well? Please excuse my lack of knowledge of scales...

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Heroic scale usually have bigger heads, bigger hands and bigger weapons, so putting a true scale head on a heroic scale body will more often than not look too small. Of course, you should also take the manufacturer, the product and your own preference into consideration: maybe it'll look alright to you. The only way to know for sure is to test it out, but be warned that most likely it'll look out of proportion.


 
   
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Heroic scale has much larger hands, heads and weapons than truescale.


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Damn.... starting to wish I hadn't put a bid on a set of truescale mini's in order to use their heads. :( So why do GW use Heroic scale for standard human guardsmen? I can understand for Space Marines and such, but for humans?

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True scale in a GW context is the increasing in size of space marines so that they are the 8' in scale compared to 28mm heroic scale imperial guard models.

If you compare current it infantry to Rogue Trader era or even the 2nd edition regiment metals or later Gaunts Ghosts or the current FW IG models you will see they are much bigger and Space Marines are an equal size rather than the Giant Supermen from the fluff.

Heroic scale has grown out of GWs chosen style. And to be fair it's pretty damn successful in not entirely anatomically correct.

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So a GW Guardsman mini is the same size as a Space Marine mini? (I'm just getting started regarding the IG so I can't compare them myself).

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Very few lines are really True-scale. Most minis are a bit Heroic in some proportions just to keep the minis from breaking when you breath on them (Most pikes and wrists are a good example of this). Thus some minis will compare ok with some heroics, but not all/many. Are you using the Victrix heads for Guardsmen?

If you do a google images search you can almost always find comparison pics for most pics.
http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=2920


Unfortunately it looks like Victrix might have limited use with WHFB, it is not really compatible with Warhammer 40k guardsmen.
If you want to use Victrix figs as Guardsmen, your best bet would be to buy the las guns from Victoria Miniatures. They are a really great product that is in between the size of a true-scale rifle and a GW scale rifle so it looks good in either figure. I use them for my RT era squats who are small enough that they look really silly when you try to put a current edition GW Lasgun in their hands.

Victoria rifle on the left. Old style (much smaller than current style) RT era lasrifle on the right.

Here's the victoria vs other GW weapons. Hard to tell from the pic, but it's also much slimmer than the GW lasrifle.
http://colgravis.blogspot.com/2011/10/review-victorian-laser-guns-from.html


Warpig1815 wrote:Damn.... starting to wish I hadn't put a bid on a set of truescale mini's in order to use their heads. :( So why do GW use Heroic scale for standard human guardsmen? I can understand for Space Marines and such, but for humans?


All GW stuff is "Heroic" in that the proportions are "chunky". Even the old Necromunda figs that seem so small by comparison are "Heroic". GW just doesn't do a great job of making all their products in scale to each other. This is not a new phenomenon. My old 2nd edition marines are not as big as they should be compared to the Guardsmen of the same era. They are a bit taller, but certainly not the 8' giants they should be.

As notprop says, SM's are slowly increasing in size. Regular marines are still not as tall as they should be compared to guardsmen, but the Terminators are about the right comparison now.

notprop wrote:
Heroic scale has grown out of GWs chosen style. And to be fair it's pretty damn successful in not entirely anatomically correct.

Very successful, not least because it makes it very difficult for players to incorporate other brands of minis when GW keeps creeping up the scale of their figs.

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 Warpig1815 wrote:
So a GW Guardsman mini is the same size as a Space Marine mini? (I'm just getting started regarding the IG so I can't compare them myself).


As per Eilif's excellent post (see second line of models) - yes.

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Thanks for the in depth response Eilif. I'm intending to use Victrix Heads on a Guardsman's body, but from you're comparison it seems they'll look stupid! :( So what we're saying here is that unless I get outbid, I've just wasted a tenner on a box of mini's that won't fit GW. Great.

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 Warpig1815 wrote:
Thanks for the in depth response Eilif. I'm intending to use Victrix Heads on a Guardsman's body, but from you're comparison it seems they'll look stupid! :( So what we're saying here is that unless I get outbid, I've just wasted a tenner on a box of mini's that won't fit GW. Great.


No problem. It's something I looked into a while ago so I was sure there were pics out there.

Sorry about the disappointing result though.

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I was just thinking of asking this same question a couple of nights ago. I was always curious about the difference, and now I know.
   
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Hehe, well learn from my epic balls-up, GW should not be mixed with other 28mm mini's unless they are explicitly manufactured with 40K in mind. It'll just be our luck that GW will eventually keep ramping up the scale until your average guardsman is the size of a dreadnought!

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If you win the auction just contact the seller and offer to pay 20% restocking fee, rather than take the item and pay the full amount for something you'll never use.


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