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Hello everyone, i just played necrons with my nids the other day and my opponent brought a royal court consisting of imotekh, 4 lords with res orbs, phase shifters, tesseract labyrinths, and warscythes, and 5 crypteks, three where the chronomotron ones and the others were the storm ones. in addition he had eight Lychguard attached to the unit, 4 with dispersion shields and 4 with warscythes. I need some help to find a way to defeat a formation like this. what basically happened was i first charged with about 20 termagants who all died because of lightning field, the i was planning to multi assault with 8 ymgarl genestealers, a trygon prime, and a hive tyrant with a guard, the hive tyrant was uber upgraded with implant attack, adrenal gland, regen, armored shell, i also rolled my 4 physic powers away and got iron arm. But when rolling to see if my trygon and genestealers would come from reserve i rolled double ones. so the court individually eliminated all my monstrous creatures. the main problem is the 4+ reanimation protocols from the orb, nothing would ever die. I was thinking of a swarmlord deathstar with 3 guard, and two primes attached with regen and twin boneswords. Also rolling on Biomancy for the Swarmlord. Tell me what you guys think and what worked for you. Thanks

Wait, what? Ok, first off, your opponent isn't playing crons right.

Lychguard are either all Sword/Shield or all warscythe, no mixing. Foul #1

The royal court works in 1 of 2 ways. As a court by itself with 1 Overlord/Unique, up to 5 lords, up to 5 crypteks. If any court members are attached to another unit, you can only attach 1 per court. ie 1 lord to a lychguard unit. Foul #2

There can be multiple crypteks in a court that are of the same kind, but only 1 per court can have the special unique abilities. Foul #3

Either this guy doesn't know any better, or they're cheating.

Some notes:
1. He can only take the Chronometron on ONE Cryptek.
Same for the Lightning Field.
You can take any Cryptek-wargear only once per Royal Court.

2. Lychguard either have Warscythes OR Sword/Shield, you are not allowed to take a mix.

3. How many points did you play? This alone would give him 1390 points in a single unit.


The tactic is called a Disco Inferno, it's when you have a Necron-Deathstar by taking a full Royal Court.
If you are correct on his list, he has taken a bad one.
It's bad because the Lords are way too expensive! Res Orb and Phase Shifter on every Lord? That's 140 per Lord if your info is correct.
And he didn't even take Trazyn, so that means the unit isn't even a scoring unit.
Trazyn is perfect because it's also the model that stops the Disco from being tarpitted and it opens a 2nd Royal Court so he can take a second one of any Cryptek-gear.

That last thing is where you should focus your efforts on!
Nothing can beat the Death-Star, but on the other hand he cannot win with this Death-Star.
It can move 6", so you will have to win by taking out his small amount of troops and by going for the objectives yourself.

Schwarmfuhrer wrote:
Hello everyone, i just played necrons with my nids the other day and my opponent brought a royal court consisting of imotekh, 4 lords with res orbs, phase shifters, tesseract labyrinths, and warscythes, and 5 crypteks, three where the chronomotron ones and the others were the storm ones.

Impossible. A harbinger can only take 1 special item per court.

In addition he had eight Lychguard attached to the unit, 4 with dispersion shields and 4 with warscythes.

Two impossibilites. No mixing equipment, and you cannot attach a unit to the court. You can only have court members in a unit by splitting apart the court.

I need some help to find a way to defeat a formation like this

Tell your opponent to actually read his codex.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Tell your opponent to actually read his codex.

Maybe we should pretend that the opponent didn't do anything legal and the OP just remembers it wrong

That way we can turn this into a "How do I stop a Royal Court-Disco Infero"-thread.
(Not that I would want such a thread, I love it when people die to my deathstar!)

Kangodo wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Tell your opponent to actually read his codex.

Maybe we should pretend that the opponent didn't do anything legal and the OP just remembers it wrong

That way we can turn this into a "How do I stop a Royal Court-Disco Infero"-thread.
(Not that I would want such a thread, I love it when people die to my deathstar!)

I'm sorry, when I see three impossibilities, I tend to become snippy.

Also, I think you meant illegal

But yes, when you see a death star like this, just run. Unless he has a veiltek in there. In that case you may be boned.

Res orb on every lord is silly...you only need 1 per unit.

For the cost, he could have gave each lord a tachyon.

He must have screwed up the rules a little, we're relatively new players, but my description of what he brought is totally true

Doesn't matter
Even a legal Royal Court Disco is almost impossible to take down for Nids.

Imothek is awesome, because it takes one of your weaknesses away: Long range blasts.
Zhandrekh is a good choice because he's almost perfectly kitted out for this Deathstar ánd he can give them abilities they want.
Trazyn is amazing with a Lych-based Disco because it's scoring and your warlord never dies.

A Veiltek teleports you around the battlefield.
Destroteks are the perfect melee and range-defense!
Eternoteks let you reroll dice, what more do you want? (Except TWO!)
Stormteks aren't really needed imo, you hardly need the field and the Haywire is "useless" if you already have 5 Warscythes.
And we do not speak of the last Cryptek!

This is sounding an awful lot like Troolzyn's thread.

In any case I'd ditch the stealers, the outflanking nerf has not been kind to them, nor has the general nerfs to assault. Especially not against an army with anti-infantry shooting flying out their butts. (God damn tesla guns).

Against the disco inferno list, there's not an awful lot that can be done. Be glad it's not the Maynarkh version because Kutlakh is a monster in assault. I mean like, everything Vargard wants to be when he grows up level monster!

For Kutlakh i would have the swarmlord to issue a challenge, and Ymgarl stealers dormant in area terrain can assault on the turn they arrive

so after going through the thread I told him about the things you guys mentioned, when i told him lychguard cant join the court he told me that the maynarkh ones where special and have that ability. Is this true???

Any Lychguard CAN join the court, so we never said such a thing!
But he cannot have 4 with a Warscythe and 4 with a Shield! All Lychguard models in a unit need to carry the same weapons.

And if you are playing with Maynarkh, then you cannot play Imothek the Stormlord.
A Maynarkh List can only take a Destroyer Lord, Kutlakh, Maynarkh Overlord or Toholk as HQ-choice.

Tip: Go to http://www.battlescribe.net/ and download the program.
Then go to http://catalogue.randomhit.org/viewforum.php?f=5 and download the correct data-files.
That program will tell you if your list is legal.

Who are those Maynark / Kutlakh guys? New Apo HQs? FW? Fun names for existing ones?

cthululsSpy stated that a unit cant join the court

Kangodo wrote:
Any Lychguard CAN join the court, so we never said such a thing!

How? Can your Necron Warriors join a unit of Immortals?

and btw the maynarkh dynasty is a new dynasty with some different rules and some new characters and stuff, everythings in IA 12

Schwarmfuhrer wrote:
and btw the maynarkh dynasty is a new dynasty with some different rules and some new characters and stuff, everythings in IA 12

Bah, Forgeworld. Thanks for letting me know to ignore these folks then

Uugh, brainfart.
No idea why I said that, I was too much focused on the "same wargear"-issue.

And yeah, those characters are from IA12.
That list gives you a more CC-orientated army, it's quite awesome and not overpowered.

There is no rule allowing Charnel Lychguard (the IA12 version of Lychguard) to join anything. A single royal court member per royal court may join the Lycheguard, just like in the normal codex.

The only difference between codex Lychguard and the IA12 Lychguard is the addition of three special rules:

- Rage
- Fear
- Soldiers of the Bloody Court

The first two are just generic special rules from the BRB, the last limits you to only being able to take one unit of Lychguard per Overlord in your army.

Schwarmfuhrer wrote:
cthululsSpy stated that a unit cant join the court

And they cannot.

Pg. 90

Before the battle, each member of the Royal Court has the option of being split off from his unit and assigned to lead a different unit from the following list: Necron Warriors, Necron Immortals, Lychguard or Deathmarks. Only one member of the Royal Court can join each unit in this manner. Otherwise, they remain part of the Royal Court.

It says that a member of the Royal Court may join a unit.
It does not say that you can merge a unit with a whole Royal Court. That would be like making a unit of Grey Hunters join a unit of Wolf Guard. Royal Court members are not independent, after all.

RCDI hates power weapons unless you give out the 15pt weave on lords. Plus crypteks only have a 4+ sv and T4 so are as killable as a warrior pretty much. Weight of attacks and power weapons normally help unless Trazyn kills a gaunt and then about half the unit dies

So everything my opponent did wrong. Correct me if im wrong.

1. Mix sword/shield lychguard with warscythe lychguard.

2. Attach Lychguard to the unit.

3. Bring Maynarkh lychguard to an army led by Imotekh.
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4. Give crypteks of the same Harbinger the same upgrades.

Correct. Either he was cheating his ass off, has utterly zero ability to comprehend what he reads, or has never actually read any of the books and just threw units together off of what he has heard abut them....or some combination of all three. I'd lay down money that his point total was off as well.

Ok. so now I told all the things he did wrong and he says that Maynarkh Lychguard can ally with a regular necron army and in doing so he bring them, sigh. Is this true?

If he brought maynarch Overlord and either 10-strong Warrior squad or Flayed one pack troop - then he has fullo allied detachment and is correct. If he brought lichguard only, then it is against the rules

still cant join Charnel 'Guard to a Vanilla RCDI

So what im getting is you cant have charnel lychguard unless you have an hq and troops and you cant attach anything no matter what to the court unless its overlord or characters, lords, and crypteks, right.

you can only Join ICs to the court, as another Royal Court is not on the list of units that can be split of to & joined. You may however, through a long chain of HQs and characters, have up to 8 Lords/Overlords join a single unit (as long as that unit is not another RC)

If his main list is Codex Necrons, and he is allying Dark Harvest Necrons, then he still has to take at least one overlord and one troop selection from the Dark Harvest list to fulfill the minimum FOC requirements and unlock the Charnel Lychguard (note: an overlord from his main Codex Necron detatchment does not satisfy the "Soldiers of the Bloody Court" rule to unlock the Lychguard in my opinion, but I think it's a debatable point as it simply states "army" and not "detachment").

The most you can possibly have in a single royal court is 15 models: 5 crypteks + 5 lords (all taken as a single royal court) + 4 ICs (unique or vanilla ICs) + Vargard Obyron (if one of your ICs is Zandrekh)...and that requires a 2000pt or larger battle opening up double FOCs, otherwise you drop the number of ICs to 2.

For a Dark Harvest list, it's the same except you don't have access to Obyron.

 IHateNids wrote:
still cant join Charnel 'Guard to a Vanilla RCDI

This is a true Statement.

The Maynarkh Dynasty is an "ally of convenience" to the vanilla Necron codex, therefore, nothing from IA12 can join units from the Vanilla Codex and vice versa.

I'd ask your friend if you can read his IA12. Also, as suggested above, I'd check to make sure his points are adding up. 8 lychguard(4 with shields), and a decent size Royal Court is a lot of points. we're talking 1250+ just for the original unit you were describing in your first post. Then you factor in troop costs and anything else he brought. Phase shifters on 4 lords is expensive! 45 points each! Seriously have this guy write down his army list(to include point costs), then ask to read his book and check to make sure you're not getting screwed!