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Something just seems bit wrong here.
he deployss havoc next to a building with 4 las cannon out in the open and 6 guys inside the building with no los and slightly forward. I drop a blast template and fully cover the 4 las cannons...yet he removes the guys from inside the building because their ever so slightly closer.
He was also trying to give them cover saves...but didn't after a long argument..because the guys who got hit outside were wide open.
Is he doing this wrong or just exploiting a rule?

tanker19 wrote:
Something just seems bit wrong here.
he deployss havoc next to a building with 4 las cannon out in the open and 6 guys inside the building with no los and slightly forward. I drop a blast template and fully cover the 4 las cannons...yet he removes the guys from inside the building because their ever so slightly closer.
He was also trying to give them cover saves...but didn't after a long argument..because the guys who got hit outside were wide open.
Is he doing this wrong or just exploiting a rule?

He can't partially embark a unit. If the guys inside are part of the same unit, he's breaking a rule.

What blast weapon were you using?

tanker19 wrote:
Something just seems bit wrong here.
he deployss havoc next to a building with 4 las cannon out in the open and 6 guys inside the building with no los and slightly forward. I drop a blast template and fully cover the 4 las cannons...yet he removes the guys from inside the building because their ever so slightly closer.
He was also trying to give them cover saves...but didn't after a long argument..because the guys who got hit outside were wide open.
Is he doing this wrong or just exploiting a rule?

When you say "inside" the building, do you mean on the battlements, or embarked inside like a transport?

It was ruins...windows on side but solid wall facing me.
i was using ectoplasma cannon.

tanker19 wrote:
It was ruins...windows on side but solid wall facing me.
i was using ectoplasma cannon.

Ruins aren't buildings, it's an important distinction to make!
In any case, did your firer have LOS to the ones in the ruin?

Then its fine as long as the unit firing had LOS to all the models taking saves and being removed.

What you could have done was focus fire 5+ meaning he can only assign wounds to models with 5 plus or worse cover save.

Actually..there was no los to the models he was removing. They were slightly forward so since they were closer. The only models with los were the 4 las cannons. He was saying the wounds come out of the unit not per model...so he had the 4 guys exposed outside and 6 inside the ruins slightly forward to be his casualty list.

I know that it's possible for blast weapon wounds to be allocated to models with no LOS, but I don't remember the specifics. Maybe it's only barrage? Anyway, focus fire is a foolproof method to avoid such shenanigans in the future. He can only take the wounds on enemies below a cover save of your choice (you could name 5+, 6+, or no save in this situation and all would only hit the guys in the open). The only downside to focus fire is that any wounds left over once the guys in the open are dead will be lost.

tanker19 wrote:
Actually..there was no los to the models he was removing. They were slightly forward so since they were closer. The only models with los were the 4 las cannons. He was saying the wounds come out of the unit not per model...so he had the 4 guys exposed outside and 6 inside the ruins slightly forward to be his casualty list.

In that case he did it wrong. Only models within LOS (and range?) can have wounds allocated to them, with the exception of blasts that scatter.
BRB p.16:
OUT OF SIGHT
If no models in the firing unit can see a particular model, then
Wounds cannot be allocated to it, and must be instead allocated
to the nearest visible model in the target unit. If there are no
visible models in the target unit, all remaining Wounds
in the pool are lost and the shooting attack ends.

The models removed have to be both the closest, as well as being in line of sight. Models outside LOS cannot be killed.

BRB FAQ Pg.1 wrote:Page 33 – Blast & Large Blast, Line of Sight
Add to the end of the final paragraph:“Rememberto keep the
wounds inflicted by weapons with the Blast specialrule in their
own wound pool, and that wounds from this pool can be
allocated to the closest model in the target unit even if it is out
of sight of any models from the attacking unit”.

You should have declared focusfire.

Maybe he just thought you were playing 5th edition?

In 5e, he would have been completely correctly. I used to use the same tactic myself to get good cover saves. Maybe, like a lot of us, he's reverting to old rules stuck in his memory.

If they where the closest models they would take wounds, as the FAQ allows blasts to ignore the LOS restriction, but if the proper focusfire is declared models within/behind cover can'r be allocated wounds for a whole different reason thus eliminating the guys who are just standing there looking squishy.

tanker19 wrote:
Something just seems bit wrong here.
he deployss havoc next to a building with 4 las cannon out in the open and 6 guys inside the building with no los and slightly forward. I drop a blast template and fully cover the 4 las cannons...yet he removes the guys from inside the building because their ever so slightly closer.
He was also trying to give them cover saves...but didn't after a long argument..because the guys who got hit outside were wide open.
Is he doing this wrong or just exploiting a rule?

The chaos play is correct is he not? As blasts can scatter out of LOS they ignore LOS wound allocation. The closes models to the firer are struck by non barrage blast weapons, reguardless of who was under the template, and if they are in cover/out of LOS.

You could have declared focus fire on the ones outside of cover then there would be no issue.

Or alternativly use barrage blasts to 'snipe' the important parts out of units.

Did the OP ever state the blast marker scattered? Don't muddle the discussion.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Did the OP ever state the blast marker scattered? Don't muddle the discussion.

After the FAQ blast wounds always ignore LoS.

It did not scatter...a direct hit

tanker19 wrote:
It did not scatter...a direct hit

Pretty much this.

 HoverBoy wrote:

BRB FAQ Pg.1 wrote:Page 33 – Blast & Large Blast, Line of Sight
Add to the end of the final paragraph:“Rememberto keep the
wounds inflicted by weapons with the Blast specialrule in their
own wound pool, and that wounds from this pool can be
allocated to the closest model in the target unit even if it is out
of sight of any models from the attacking unit”.

You should have declared focusfire.

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 Dozer Blades wrote:
Did the OP ever state the blast marker scattered? Don't muddle the discussion.

Does it matter if it scattered? The FAQ doesn't seem to think so.

Don't we have to say what level a blast is hitting ?

I read it, as if they where all on ground level.

It appears that the other guy was removing casualties correctly, per the BRB FAQ.

Your ectoplasma cannon could of course only target models to which it has LOS, but blast-wounds are allocated to the model in the target unit closest to the firing unit even without LOS.

That's one of those intuitive changes we have to get used to in 6th edition, I'll have to remember it now!

Do those models out of LoS get a cover save?

Are they obscured from the firing model by more than 25%?

Check the FAQ:

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3170233a_40K_RULEBOOK_v1.4_APRIL13.pdf

Last line of first page.

And they were in ruins, and if they were IN ruins yes. The 25% doesn't matter until they aren't in area terrain.