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Hi,

Two questions regarding Necrons please:

1) Necron Deathmark snipers with a cryptek of despair. I had a situation where the whole unit (5DMs + 2 teks) were wiped out due to firepwer. Both crypteks got back up on everliving RP rolls, obviously all the snipers were dead. Neither of us knew if they retained the Deathmark rules, opponent actually called it and said they should since the teks aren't ICs, more like squad champions - they are intrinsic parts of the squad.

2) Same thing but for Ghost Ark regeneration - a since cryptek survived after ever living rolls. This time I suggested that he ghost ark couldn't find any bits of working Necrons so it couldn't restore the D3 Necrons back to it. This is based more on fluff than anything else.

Would appreciate / guidance.

Thanks,

Since they are listed as becoming part of the unit not IC's most people play them as part of the unit with all rules as such. I use to play them as becoming part of the RC once the rest of the unit was wiped but...... in the end by the rules they are still a warrior unit even with only one warrior/deathmark cryptek alive. Take it as you will. In the case of the ghost arks you are actually able to bring the crypteks back due to them being members of the unit or warriors back if the cryptek lives.

Wow. That's a major positive. By that logic the lords and crypteks also become scoring? Even though they are an hq unit?

Yes, if you attach a cryptek to a warrior squad and the warriors are wiped out, the cryptek is still scoring for the same reasons as above.

Without wanting to be rude, is that written or evidenced anywhere? Seems very useful... Too useful!!

Thanks for your help.

See the Wolfguard Pack Leader FAQ; Royal Courts are functionally identical

Thank you all very much. You have made a necron commander very happy.

you cannot use another armies faq to justify the actual army you are playing have you got any necron evidence to back your claim up as the royal court is an additional free hq choice not a troops or otherwise scoring unit

Chris Lysander wrote:
you cannot use another armies faq to justify the actual army you are playing have you got any necron evidence to back your claim up as the royal court is an additional free hq choice not a troops or otherwise scoring unit

The Royal Court is an HQ unit. Models that are detached to lead a unit are no longer part of the Royal Court.

being split off to lead the unit, not become a member of the unit.

Again waiting to see any actual faq evidence of this as I am pretty sure there is none myself

Chris Lysander wrote:
being split off to lead the unit, not become a member of the unit.

Again waiting to see any actual faq evidence of this as I am pretty sure there is none myself

What does "attached" mean in WH40K terms?

Chris Lysander wrote:
being split off to lead the unit, not become a member of the unit.

That's false - if they're leading the unit they are a member of the unit.

provide citation from the necron codex or faq it does not state they join the unit they merely lead it, otherwise my sergeants can do whatever the hell they want when the rest of their squads are wiped out

Chris Lysander wrote:
provide citation from the necron codex or faq it does not state they join the unit they merely lead it, otherwise my sergeants can do whatever the hell they want when the rest of their squads are wiped out

Again I ask, what is the game definition of "attached"? I.e. I attach a Cryptek to a unit of Deathmarks.

Chris Lysander wrote:
provide citation from the necron codex or faq it does not state they join the unit they merely lead it, otherwise my sergeants can do whatever the hell they want when the rest of their squads are wiped out

SO youre saying they arent a member of the unit?

Interesting. Wrong, but interesting.

Necron FAQ says

Q: If an entire unit, including an attached character from a Royal
Court, is wiped out, do you get to make any Reanimation Protocol
rolls? (p29)
A: You would only get to make one roll for the attached
character as he has the Ever-living special rule. Note that in this
case, he must be placed within 3" of the counter as his unit has
been wiped out.

Also if a royal court is broken up and placed with warriors or deathmarks they become a character and benefit from the squad.

So if the whole squad is wiped out the crytek can attempt to reanimate under ever-living, however in the case of the ghost ark no you would not be able to rebuild the squad as the squad was destroyed. For the deathmarks they would still maintain the hunters from hyperspace as that started when the whole unit deployed but obviously the cryptek never had deep-strike so it would not be able to use that.

Chris Lysander wrote:
provide citation from the necron codex or faq it does not state they join the unit they merely lead it, otherwise my sergeants can do whatever the hell they want when the rest of their squads are wiped out

... What?
Yes, a sergeant can do whatever the hell he wants when the rest of his squad is wiped out. I have no idea what your point is with that.

It says that "Any Deathmark UNIT that shoots at, or strikes blows against, a unit marked in this fashion will score a Wound on a roll of 2+" I doesn't say deathmark model, its says unit. and as far as im concerned, that unit contains a cryptek. so since the cryptek is part of that unit, is gains the 2+ wound on the marked target.

Chris Lysander wrote:
you cannot use another armies faq to justify the actual army you are playing

You certainly can. It's called precedent; when GW clarifies that a given rule works a given way in a given circumstance, if you have an identical or near-identical rule (Wolf Guard as compared to Royal Courts), it makes sense that it works the same way in that same circumstance. To rule otherwise would be inconsistent and confusing.

 necrons_ftw wrote:
It says that "Any Deathmark UNIT that shoots at, or strikes blows against, a unit marked in this fashion will score a Wound on a roll of 2+" I doesn't say deathmark model, its says unit. and as far as im concerned, that unit contains a cryptek. so since the cryptek is part of that unit, is gains the 2+ wound on the marked target.

Considering the FAQ states that, you would be correct.