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Can you smash death or glory attacks with an MC?

tgf wrote:
Can you smash death or glory attacks with an MC?

Yes. Halving one attack to a minimum of 1. Smash away.

The only stipulation on Smash is when making close combat attacks so I would say you can unless there is an FAQ i am unaware of.

I figured as much, there was some confusion as to the roll hits as normal clause. But if you would auto hit that still qualifies as normal IMO.

Zagman wrote:

tgf wrote:
Can you smash death or glory attacks with an MC?

Yes. Halving one attack to a minimum of 1. Smash away.

Actually you halve the attacks characteristic, then set the number of attacks to 1, regardless of your attacks characteristic.

Yes. One rule that works.

RAW, you can do this.
Is it wise though? At the very least you're looking at a 3+ to hit and if you fail that, your model is toast. Kaput. Finito. Not worth the risk with your average MC.
Beyond that, you have hull points and damage results to consider, so unless you're looking at a vehicle on its last hull point or with no weapons left there's a chance your attack still might not actually stop it, driving the risk up further.

 Super Ready wrote:
RAW, you can do this.
Is it wise though? At the very least you're looking at a 3+ to hit and if you fail that, your model is toast. Kaput. Finito. Not worth the risk with your average MC.
Beyond that, you have hull points and damage results to consider, so unless you're looking at a vehicle on its last hull point or with no weapons left there's a chance your attack still might not actually stop it, driving the risk up further.

You auto hit right?
than get to re-roll the pen.
Being Ap2 sometimes it's worth the risk.

 Super Ready wrote:
RAW, you can do this.
Is it wise though? At the very least you're looking at a 3+ to hit and if you fail that, your model is toast. Kaput. Finito. Not worth the risk with your average MC.
Beyond that, you have hull points and damage results to consider, so unless you're looking at a vehicle on its last hull point or with no weapons left there's a chance your attack still might not actually stop it, driving the risk up further.

hits automatically, re-roll penetration, immobilising or destroying on a 4+ (or 3+ with an ap 1 weapon)... yeah, still not worth it if it has 2 or more hull points left. Death or Glory with a Mycetic Spore can be hilarious though.

I forgot about auto-hit. Ok, that does make it a bit less risky...

That's still only ~27 % chance of stopping AV14, 37.5 % chance of stopping AV13 and 44.6 % chance of stopping AV12, assuming 2+ hull points. It's a big risk to take regardless.

Smash lets you re roll pen results, is that factored into your percentages?

MarkyMark wrote:
Smash lets you re roll pen results, is that factored into your percentages?

it lets you re-roll for penetration, not on the pen results table.

Did you include the stunned result as well ? That stops the vehicle all the same

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Did you include the stunned result as well ? That stops the vehicle all the same

Looking at the %s it appears Stunned was not considered, but rerolling Pen chance was.

I'm getting:
AV11: 64.8%
AV12: 59.3%
AV13: 50.0%
AV14: 37.0%

If only 1 HP remaining (bad idea to tank shock unless weapons destroyed!):
AV11: 97.2%
AV12: 88.9%
AV13: 75.0%
AV14: 55.6%

It could be worth it even on AV14 if your MC is already heavily wounded, or in some other rare circumstances. A Mycetic Spore always has to Death or Glory, so clearly you always Smash with that.

MarkyMark wrote:Smash lets you re roll pen results, is that factored into your percentages?

Re-rolls of rolls to penetrate, yeah.

pizzaguardian wrote:Did you include the stunned result as well ? That stops the vehicle all the same

Woops, forgot that one. In that case the percentages should be 37, 50 and 59.3. What I wrote above should be right for S10 AP3 or worse weapons I guess.

AV14: 5+ to penetrate, re-rollable is 55.5%, multiplied by chance to stop vehicle (at AP2, a roll of 2, 4,5 or 6=2/3) = 37 %.
AV13: 4+ re-roll = 75 % on re-roll*2/3 = 50%
AV12: 3+ re-roll = 88.9%*2/3 = 59.3 %
AV11 2+ re-roll = 97.2 %*2/3 = 64.8 %
AV10 auto-pen = 66.7 %

Edit: frickin' ninjas.