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If I have 2 L10 HQs, can I swap between them as Warlord during a tournament?

There are no Tournament rules in the rulebook.
The only person that can answer this is your tournament official.

As always, the only person who can answer a question about the rules for a specific tournament is the tournament organizer.

It has nothing to do with tournaments. You pick who is the warlord at the start of the match not at listmaking .

I would it would be going out of their way to dtermine warlord at the start of the tournament for the to.

Yes, it has everything to do with tournaments. The tournament organizer is free to make any changes to the rules that he wants to for the tournament, including that you select one model to be your Warlord for all games in the tournament. Only the organizer can answer this question.

It only makes sense that it doesn't have to be the same model.

After all you roll traits every game.

 Ghaz wrote:
Yes, it has everything to do with tournaments. The tournament organizer is free to make any changes to the rules that he wants to for the tournament, including that you select one model to be your Warlord for all games in the tournament. Only the organizer can answer this question.

This change would be sth like making ruins dangerous terrain as well as diffuculut, i am not saying he cant do it since to always has the last word.

Am just saying this would be his ruling not what is in the book. And if i go to a tournament i wont be expecting this.

It doesn't matter what kind of 'problems' you may think it may create. Personally I don't see any more problems then there would be in a campaign or a league. I'm sure the OP knows what the rulebook says, but that doesn't matter. Only the tournament organizer can tell him if the rule has been changed.

It's not exactly the same as changing the rules for ruins.

Tournaments are generally run with the same list for each game. The question of whether this should apply to effects that are determined per game in a casual setting (the big one at the start of 6th edition was with the taking of codex vs rulebook psychic powers) is one that tournaments address as they see fit.

I never said it would create any problems, dont put words inmy sentences.

Then stop trying to tell the OP that the rules in the rulebook are what the tournament will use if you're not sure.

I never said i wasnt sure either, you keep assuming what i think.

I only stated that imo it would be a change on the rules by the to, and i would not go to a tournament expecting it.

I already stated that TO can do anything and has the last word.

easy wayu to resolve this is A. talk to the to before hand, and B. if there are changes like this it will be in the Tournament Pack

No assumptions on my part. Your posts clearly show that you have a problem with it, otherwise you wouldn't be trying so hard with your 'examples' as to why an organizer shouldn't have each player have a set Warlord and trait for the entire tournament instead of simply telling the OP to check with the organizer.

Believe whatever you want, but the OP knows to check with the organizer so I'm done with this thread.

Calm the ham guys, 'tis but a game.

To answer the OP's question: Ruleswise you're required to elect one of your HQs as your warlord before deployment and makes no mention of tournament-esque gameplay. I wouldn't see it as a problem to switch between Warlords to take advantage of a situation etc.

If in doubt, it's usually always better to ask the TO.

Iranna.

 Ghaz wrote:
Yes, it has everything to do with tournaments. The tournament organizer is free to make any changes to the rules that he wants to for the tournament, including that you select one model to be your Warlord for all games in the tournament. Only the organizer can answer this question.

So when someone asks what you have to roll on a D6 for a BS4-model, your answer is: "Ask the TO!"?

This rule can be answered by using the BRB.
So there is no reason to contact the TO with useless questions that we can figure out too.
And you select the Warlord at the start of the game, not when you make the list.
That means you can change it unless the TO implements a rule that says otherwise.

Also: Don't talk to the TO.
If he doesn't make a rule against it, it's legal.
If you tell him 30 minutes before the tournament, he will not make a well-thought decision about it and he might start with wildly banning innocent stuff.

Kangodo wrote:
Also: Don't talk to the TO.
If he doesn't make a rule against it, it's legal.
If you tell him 30 minutes before the tournament, he will not make a well-thought decision about it and he might start with wildly banning innocent stuff.

I don't think anyone is saying 'ask the TO at the last minute.' I think it's always a good idea to identify what rules calls are points of contention in your army, and clarify with your TO beforehand how they plan to rule on them if such a rule call comes up. I've got a short list that I always make sure to clear with TOs before the tournament starts, and by that I mean I get in contact with them WELL before the event. Any event worth participating in should have been announced well in advance, with contact information for the organizer given for just this sort of situation.

If you don't bring it up at ALL, and one of your opponents asks for a rules call, then the TO has even LESS time to come to a rational decision, and is even MORE likely to come to a conclusion you don't want. Although you always run the risk that the TO will come down against you, even if you're sure you're correct, it's always better to know beforehand rather than risk getting blindsided by the call in the middle of an event.

On the other hand you can take out your brb, show the opponent why it's legal and he probably won't run to the TO.

My point is that it's clearly explained in the BRB.
This is not a thing I would expect to be house-ruled in tournaments.

Kangodo wrote:
On the other hand you can take out your brb, show the opponent why it's legal and he probably won't run to the TO.

My point is that it's clearly explained in the BRB.
This is not a thing I would expect to be house-ruled in tournaments.

And that's the sort of attitude that leads to people ripping source books off GMs at convention games and telling a GM "No, look you're wrong it says so right here!"

Telling someone to assume they are always right and that the TO can go hang is what leads to terrible sportsmanship. The TO's word is law, if he house rules that no allies are allowed then that is a rule for that tournament. If you don't like their ruling you have always got the option of leaving.

Yes, it is perfectly legal.
Yes, it is also perfectly cheesy.

 liturgies of blood wrote:
And that's the sort of attitude that leads to people ripping source books off GMs at convention games and telling a GM "No, look you're wrong it says so right here!"

Telling someone to assume they are always right and that the TO can go hang is what leads to terrible sportsmanship. The TO's word is law, if he house rules that no allies are allowed then that is a rule for that tournament. If you don't like their ruling you have always got the option of leaving.

And that is exactly the opposite of what I said.

Assume that the BRB-rules are always followed unless the TO says otherwise!
You really shouldn't go to the TO with every single rule to verify if the tournament follows it, he has other things to do.
It's his job to announce cases where he deviates from the BRB.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Yes, it is perfectly legal.
Yes, it is also perfectly cheesy.

I'm trying to figure out how'd you'd get much mileage out of this. I guess you could swap between Shadowsun and Farsight as warlord between games to guarantee the warlord trait you want. I don't see how you'd get much utility over just swapping between one random trait warlord or another, though.

Didn't you get the memo?
Doing something legal that the opponents doesn't like (even when it hardly influences the game) is the definition of 'cheesy'.

Kangodo wrote:
Didn't you get the memo?
Doing something legal that the opponents doesn't like (even when it hardly influences the game) is the definition of 'cheesy'.

Whaaaaaa...? My opponents definitely don't like Psyflemen, but I take them! My opponents don't like PML3 Daemon Princes with Str8 in CC, but I take them!
And, on the other hand, I utterly despise playing against a Rune Priest, but I wouldn't call my opponent "cheesy" for taking one, since it's a fantastic tactical choice!

Unless you're being sarcastic, and have some other definition of cheese

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Yes, it is perfectly legal.
Yes, it is also perfectly cheesy.

Sigh, your definition of 'cheesy' is far to broad, because I see no problem with this at all, and I don't see how anyone could? Would you explain to me what you see is 'cheesy' about this, considering a tournament a series of single games with the scores recorded, why would someone would be being 'cheesy' by playing it as such.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

Unless you're being sarcastic, and have some other definition of cheese

You mean like: "Cheese (noun) 1. The curd of milk separated from the whey and prepared in many ways as a food" ?

Back on topic, while it is something that is covered in the rulebook (which does state it to be perfectly legal), it is the kind of thing that TOs will rule out, and that people may kick up a fuss about. Simply put, ask your TO. There is no harm in doing it, so you may as well. It may save you a lot of hassle later on. It may not, but like I say, there's no harm in checking.

I don't get where people are getting this choosing your warlord before deployment, you determine your warlord trait before deployment but your warlord is chosen "when choosing your army". This is on page 111 of the main rulebook in bold. Choosing your army is is basically list construction, so with strict RAW if you have to use the same list during the whole tournament so you have to have the same warlord all tournament. You would probably end up with different warlord traits game to game due them being random (most of the time) but that would be the same with psychic powers etc.

That said a TO can make any houserule he wants, he is the TO. Though players always have the option, if they don't like the house rules, to "speak with their feet".

My God, why are people STILL arguing about this? Stop arguing just to argue. The answer is simple as hell, stop bickering and clouding the issue! We don't care how big your damn e-peens are!

Answer: For anything related to tournaments, read the tournament rules, it will have anything outside of the normal rules there. From there, if you still have questions, ask the TO.

 Ghaz wrote:
It doesn't matter what kind of 'problems' you may think it may create. Personally I don't see any more problems then there would be in a campaign or a league. I'm sure the OP knows what the rulebook says, but that doesn't matter. Only the tournament organizer can tell him if the rule has been changed.

I agree with this - the organizer should define whether you choose a single warlord in your list for the whole tourny, our can choose as normal between different HQ's at the start of every game.

If he doesn't it's a slight oversight, and can be decided on the spot so isn't an issue either way as long as everyone is doing the same thing.

The only preceendent that is like this is chapter tactics for Marines, you have to write on your army list which chapter tactics you are using if you have more then one in your list. So you cannot use say Vulkans chapter tactics in one game then Pedros in another to get more scoring units.