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Brand new player to WHFB (dabbled a good decade ago but been away from all aspects of tabletop gaming since I was 12-14) and not really too sure where to start.

Had a tutorial at local GW going through the rules and I’ve now signed up to the store’s Tale of Many Gamers event, WHFB 1200pts on 1st Sept of a Brand New fully painted army. Going to have a lock in after store closes and the manager is ordering in Pizza as we have a tournament with our new armies. Should be good and a great way to become more accustomed to the rules.

I’ve started an Ogre Kingdoms army bought a Battalion from local gaming club for £50 and won a Thundertusk brand new in wrapping on eBay for £25.

Now looking through the Army book think the Thundertusk is going to be too much to run in a 1200pt army, but need a hand making a list as I’m obviously going up against some much more experienced players and to be honest I’m pretty clueless at the moment.

So far I’ve got:
Ogres x 6
Ironguts x 6
Leadbelchers x 4

Thinking of adding 3 Mourfang Calvary as I hear they hit like a truck and maybe the Ironblaster? But not sure on Heroes and Lords (Tyrant or Slaughtermaster). Also don’t have a clue on Magic Items to equip.

Any help would be much appreciated, looking forward to properly getting into WHFB.

Welcome to the Ogres! One great thing about them is they are very forgiving for new players, and very fun to play!

You are definitely off to a good start. I'm currently in an escalation league with my ogres. One thing you will have to remember is that your units are much more expensive than others, so you'll be hitting that table with a lot less models.

1200 isn't much. What you have now takes up half of that. The next 2 things I think you should add would be your General and a BSB.

For your general, I'd run a lvl4 Slaughtermaster. Without him, you have no magic phase whatsoever. The Lore of the Great Maw will get you some nice buffs to throw around the army. I'd just stay away from the Maw spell if you get it, its not worth the trouble. Here is what I would do with him:

Slaughtermaster, Lvl4 Hellheart, Talisman of Preservation

Magic items are always users choice, but I've got some great mileage out of the Hellheart and you want your general to have some kind of ward save.

After that, you need a BSB. I generally run mine with my Ironguts so I build him something like:

Bruiser, BSB, GW, HA

You unfortunately don't have the points to get him a cool banner without dropping some other stuff, but if you do, giving him the Dragonhide banner for those Ironguts would definitely be worth it.

After that, yes, I'd pick up some Mournfang ( you don't really need more than 4 unless you play in really high point games ), and the Ironblaster. A second battalion would round out everything else. ( A little tip: if you ever want to run Gnoblars, there are enough of the little buggers in the battalion to make a unit of them. )

Again, this is all just my opinion, but its at least something to think about. Good luck! Let us know how it goes!

Cheers for the advice will definitely take it on board!

Just looking at your recommendation for the Slaightermaster surely that's over the 300pts for a Lord?

Slaughtermaster - 250pts
Level 4 - 35pts
Hellheart - 50pts
Talisman of Preservation - 45pts

Total 380pts?

Maybe

Slaughtermaster - 250pts
Talisman of Preservation - 45pts
Enchanted Shield - 5pts

Would this work or would I need to take Ironfist before taking the enchanted shield?

Battalions are the way to go with ogres because of the versitility of how ogres are assembled. You can make bulls, ironguts, or LB with that box so it is a great start. Even after building 10k of ogres I still get the batallion boxes. Using kind of what you had there and adding another box of bulls and 2 boxes of mournfang(which you will want if you are serious about playing OK) I wrote up what I would play at 1200 points. I disagree with spending a good chunk of your points on a single hero who is a monster at this small amount of points. I would go cheep but also include a caster, namely to help with the dispelling of magic and maybe for some kind of offense or buffs. I prefer the firebelly over the butcher when I have to choose a solo caster simply because the basic fireball is great for low level games.

The list isnt very crazy it is very simple and straight foward. 3 mournfang are sufficant to kill most anything that they will hit at 1200 points. I woud put the characters in the big unit of ogres and crush everything in their path with ironguts watching their back. The ironguts are a great choice for dealing with those high armor value knights. Remember ogres a simple creatures and so is playing the army(for the beginning) line up your ogres straight across from your opponet and charge ASAP.

+ Heroes +

* Bruiser
Heavy Armour , Ironfist
* Battle Standard Bearer
BRB - Standard of Discipline


* Firebelly
Lore of Fire, Wizard Level 1
* Magic Items
BRB - Dispel Scroll


+ Core +

* Ironguts x6
Bellower
* Standard Bearer



* Ogres x12
Bellower , Champion , Ironfists, Standard Bearer


+ Special +

* Mournfang Cavalry x3
Bellower , Heavy Armour , Ironfists, Standard Bearer


Ogres are a blast to play, build, and paint. They have tons of room for converting too. Have fun with it and remember you cant have too many ogre bulls so battalion boxes are the way to go.

Enough can't be said about Sabertusks. Take 3 (in individual units). Always.

This list is kinda bland, but at 1200, I would take tempted to take a LVL 3. but he eats allot of points. So instead I would go with killing power. you will probably loose 1 unit before reaching CCt, but not alot of armies would be able to stand up to you once you got there,.

General
Firebelly Lvl 1 Dispell. 145

BSB
Bruiser BSB HA, If Gold Sickle Sword 153

Core
8 bulls Muscian/Banner (Firebelly here)
8 bulls Muscian/Banner (BSB Here)
9 bulls Muscian/Banner

Special
1 Sabertusk
1 sabertusk.

Cheers for all of the suggestions guys. Think I'll spend tonight going through the Army book and working out a proper list taking into consideration these suggestions too.

Think the Firebelly at 1200pts is the way to go as the General, might give it Dispel Scroll and Ruby Ring of Ruin so I get the extra fire-based spell.

3 Mourfang are a no brainer and might inclued 2 Sabretusks just as individual redirectors (plus they're only £10 for both models).

Might try to utilise the Leadbelchers included in the Batallion as well, think the Ironblaster will have to wait until I've got some more money.

Welcome to Might makes Right!!!!!

Based on what you have I would go with this:

Slaughter Master- L4, GW = 294

Worth the points EVERY time. Yes he has to take Lore of Maw, but with a str buff, a T buff and regen up for grabs why wouldn’t you want to?

Bruiser- BSB, HA = 134 ish

Does the job.

7 Ironguts- Full Command, Standard of Discipline = 346

The battalion actually gives you enough GW’s to make 8 Iron guts, and I would make 7 if I was you. They are the best core choice and can take a magic banner. WIN WIN. Attach the SM and BSB to this unit for a 9 man unit, deployed 3 x 3 so you can hide the characters in the second rank. The standard combined with the General’s LD gives you a LD 9 reroll bubble. This is the way to go.

5 Ogres- Full Command, Ironfists = 190

Good support unit for your Ironguts.

2 x Sabretusk = 42

Defo grab these.

4 Leadbelchers = 172

Total = 1169

Uses as much as possible that you have, is pretty solid to start and leaves you 20 points for a ward save or magic weapon on the BSB perhaps?

The Thunder Tusk (which I would really recommend making as a stone horn instead) would be an easy addition for a 1500 point list along with a Hell Heart.

Then going higher to 2K and beyond would need a little extra in core plus mourn fang and iron blasters.

Hope this helps mate.

Ya, I meant for the future. I always forget about that point restriction thing when recommending stuff to people.

I run 2 sabretusks and probably won't ever run more, but only because when I'm playing 2500 to 3000 points, I don't have room for them, literally. I don't have anywhere to put them on the table that doesn't put them too close to other units that makes me worry about panic bombs going off through my army. Plus, 2 seems to work out perfectly for me for either holding up a unit or seeking out those war machines.

I love Stonehorns they are stupid fun and look awesome on the table, just don't forget that your ogre on there does have some range. 6" isn't much, but its something if you have to.

Again, its hard to go wrong with ogres. Build what looks fun and just roll with it. Sure some things will be more competitive if you are looking to win tourneys (see: 2 Ironblasters), but its a strong army without going that route too. So play what you want and you'll still always have fun at least.

General
Firebelly Lvl.1 (120pts)
w. Dispel Scroll (25pts) 145pts

Hero
Bruiser (105pts)
BSB (25pts)
w. Enchanted Shield (5pts), Heavy Armour (4pts), 139pts

Core
6 x Ironguts (258pts)
w. Full command (30pts), 288pts

6 x Bulls (180pts)
w. Full Command (30pts), Ironfists (18pts) 228pts

Special
3 x Mournfang (180pts)
w. Musician (10pts), Heavy Armour (15pts), Ironfists (15pts) 220pts

3 x Leadbelchers (129pts)
w. Musician (10pts) 139pts

1 x Sabretusk 21pts
1 x Sabretusk 21pts

TOTAL - 1201pts

Thoughts? I know it's 1pt over, hoping that won't matter.....

Not a bad list at all.

Though you really need to get those individual points cost off the post. GW throw hissy fits if you do that. Unit total points is ok but not a break down like that.

Friendly advice mate.

 magless wrote:
( A little tip: if you ever want to run Gnoblars, there are enough of the little buggers in the battalion to make a unit of them. )

I'm not sure when the change happened since I only recently got started myself, but Gnoblars aren't included in the battalion anymore. It used to be 6 Ogres, 4 Leadbelchers, 4 Ironguts and 24 Gnoblars. Now it's 6 Ogres, 6 Ironguts, 4 Leadbelchers.



OP> I started a thread over on warseer asking to compare a 2500 point army I designed w/an idea for an army to grow w/me. I had lists built for 1k, 1500 and 2500 points for it. The idea largely being to minimize costs at each step but still have something that wouldn't just get blown off the table I didn't spend any points in magic items in those builds, so that would need to be accounted for, but Battalion plus a little seems to be the standard 1200 or 1500 point OK list.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?378045-Growable-Ogre-army-list-questions-%281000-2500-points%29

SSquirrel wrote:

 magless wrote:
( A little tip: if you ever want to run Gnoblars, there are enough of the little buggers in the battalion to make a unit of them. )

I'm not sure when the change happened since I only recently got started myself, but Gnoblars aren't included in the battalion anymore. It used to be 6 Ogres, 4 Leadbelchers, 4 Ironguts and 24 Gnoblars. Now it's 6 Ogres, 6 Ironguts, 4 Leadbelchers.

Correct. However there is still 1-2 gnoblars on every ogre sprue so its still possible to get a small unit of 10-15 out of it. only problem is they would all be in 1 of 2 poses.

 mixer86 wrote:

SSquirrel wrote:

 magless wrote:
( A little tip: if you ever want to run Gnoblars, there are enough of the little buggers in the battalion to make a unit of them. )

I'm not sure when the change happened since I only recently got started myself, but Gnoblars aren't included in the battalion anymore. It used to be 6 Ogres, 4 Leadbelchers, 4 Ironguts and 24 Gnoblars. Now it's 6 Ogres, 6 Ironguts, 4 Leadbelchers.

Correct. However there is still 1-2 gnoblars on every ogre sprue so its still possible to get a small unit of 10-15 out of it. only problem is they would all be in 1 of 2 poses.

This. They aren't the cool dancing looking ones with broken bottles and whatnot, but its a cheap alternative and you won't be using all those gnoblars anyway. I put one on my heroes' bases, but thats about it. After two battalions I have 20+ gnoblars.

To the OP: list looks tight, mate. I think it'll do well. You could potentially save a few points by changing the firebelly to a butcher which would give you another 20 points to play with, but I think what you have now works just fine.

 mixer86 wrote:
Correct. However there is still 1-2 gnoblars on every ogre sprue so its still possible to get a small unit of 10-15 out of it. only problem is they would all be in 1 of 2 poses.

So, so it's like buying a box of Plague Monks and getting a bunch of free Giant Rats. Got it