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I recently came into a good number of Ork models and was thinking of making a list with a burna wagon/Trukk. What is a good number of burnas to include in the list? I have 3 burna/loota boxes still on spruce and I wanted to know how many I should make as burnas? I already have 9 lootas from a previous trade I had made.

In the new stuff I got it included 2 trukks and 1 battle wagon. Is it better to run the burnas in the Trukk or the battle wagon.

How many burnas do I make? Do I put them in a Trukk or a wagon?

If your gunna run burnas, you should go with 15. Burna boys can't take a trukk on their own, but I guess they could hijack one from some boys, though this leaves the boys stranded and the burnas vulnerable if you lose first turn. I'd personally run 'em in a battle wagon.

Burna wagon tactic was nerfed with the new eddition by not letting you hurt further than the template can reach.
Then again that can be fixed by having a big mek with Big shoota in the group Or kustom mega blasta whatever you prefer. As for the trukks, Burna boyz can't use them as dedicated transport but THEY CAN with imperial armor 8! with their special trukk, it's not as fast. but it comes at the same point cost with a grippa claw and other stuff. Then again as i said.. it's only for Imperial armor 8. IF you want burnas have them in a battlewagon it's the safest way and take them with a big mek as mentiond.
Other than that... i would atleast get 11 more lootas first of.
Two groups of lootas is better worth than 20 burnas :3 Personal opinion ofcourse.

Well burnas CAN take a looted wagon and a battlewagon. The looted wagon has about the same capacity and is about the same price as a trukk and even with better armor.

What you will want to do is get a bunch of vehicles to hid the burna wagon so that they get blown up first, then the burna wagon comes in and unleashes all of those beautiful templates.

For the points and effectiveness I would go the looted wagon route.

 phatonic wrote:
Burna wagon tactic was nerfed with the new eddition by not letting you hurt further than the template can reach.
Then again that can be fixed by having a big mek with Big shoota in the group Or kustom mega blasta whatever you prefer. As for the trukks, Burna boyz can't use them as dedicated transport but THEY CAN with imperial armor 8! with their special trukk, it's not as fast. but it comes at the same point cost with a grippa claw and other stuff. Then again as i said.. it's only for Imperial armor 8. IF you want burnas have them in a battlewagon it's the safest way and take them with a big mek as mentiond.
Other than that... i would atleast get 11 more lootas first of.
Two groups of lootas is better worth than 20 burnas :3 Personal opinion ofcourse.

I can put a mek with them I have a bunch of stuff and I am sure there is a mek in there. The burnas can't hijack a dedicated transport taken with a squad of boys?

Sounds like you would suggest just making a bunch more lootas with my 3 boxes rather than the burna wagon anyhow.

 Icculus wrote:
Well burnas CAN take a looted wagon and a battlewagon. The looted wagon has about the same capacity and is about the same price as a trukk and even with better armor.

What you will want to do is get a bunch of vehicles to hid the burna wagon so that they get blown up first, then the burna wagon comes in and unleashes all of those beautiful templates.

For the points and effectiveness I would go the looted wagon route.

Well as Icculus mention here. When going the looted wagon route you could also get a skorcha on that looted one


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Loborocket wrote:

 phatonic wrote:
Burna wagon tactic was nerfed with the new eddition by not letting you hurt further than the template can reach.
Then again that can be fixed by having a big mek with Big shoota in the group Or kustom mega blasta whatever you prefer. As for the trukks, Burna boyz can't use them as dedicated transport but THEY CAN with imperial armor 8! with their special trukk, it's not as fast. but it comes at the same point cost with a grippa claw and other stuff. Then again as i said.. it's only for Imperial armor 8. IF you want burnas have them in a battlewagon it's the safest way and take them with a big mek as mentiond.
Other than that... i would atleast get 11 more lootas first of.
Two groups of lootas is better worth than 20 burnas :3 Personal opinion ofcourse.

I can put a mek with them I have a bunch of stuff and I am sure there is a mek in there. The burnas can't hijack a dedicated transport taken with a squad of boys?

Sounds like you would suggest just making a bunch more lootas with my 3 boxes rather than the burna wagon anyhow.

Hehe Just because Lootas are that good in sixth eddition
Then again, it's your army! You choose what you want to have. But when taking the burnas atleast include a big mek with a ranged weapon with some range

 phatonic wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
Well burnas CAN take a looted wagon and a battlewagon. The looted wagon has about the same capacity and is about the same price as a trukk and even with better armor.

What you will want to do is get a bunch of vehicles to hid the burna wagon so that they get blown up first, then the burna wagon comes in and unleashes all of those beautiful templates.

For the points and effectiveness I would go the looted wagon route.

Well as Icculus mention here. When going the looted wagon route you could also get a skorcha on that looted one

Oh man, I even forgot about the skorcha. Yeah, now thats a true burna wagon.
In regards to the burna vs loota question, sure lootas are good, but in my games I have only ever ran 5 of them and honestly they didnt really do much. I could see 15-20 making a nice dent, but I did pretty well without them. So they are not MUST TAKE unit. And Burnas can still do pretty well especially if you get the wagon up to units hiding in cover or behind an ADL. It seems like everything has a cover save they are relying on and this burna can exploit that.

Id ask people you play with how they treat that out of range rule. Its worded so bad i come across people that say its per weapon not unit...even people that used to run flame units and they stopped running them because they believe this is what the rule was meant to be.

While it makes sense..i dont agree with it. Flamers are crap enough outside overwatch.

phatonic wrote:Burna wagon tactic was nerfed with the new eddition by not letting you hurt further than the template can reach.
Then again that can be fixed by having a big mek with Big shoota in the group Or kustom mega blasta whatever you prefer. As for the trukks, Burna boyz can't use them as dedicated transport but THEY CAN with imperial armor 8! with their special trukk, it's not as fast. but it comes at the same point cost with a grippa claw and other stuff.

That's not completely correct. Only burna units taken by an ork dread mob can take the scrap trukk as dedicated transport. Burna units taken by Codex: Orks armies cannot.

Icculus wrote:In regards to the burna vs loota question, sure lootas are good, but in my games I have only ever ran 5 of them and honestly they didnt really do much. I could see 15-20 making a nice dent, but I did pretty well without them. So they are not MUST TAKE unit. And Burnas can still do pretty well especially if you get the wagon up to units hiding in cover or behind an ADL. It seems like everything has a cover save they are relying on and this burna can exploit that.

A lot of people (including me) have claimed this in the past. Then they try bringing meaningful numbers of lootaz (even if they were firing stompa belly gunz, 5 probably wouldn't have done anything) and you suddenly realize that they were fighting an uphill battle until now. Lootaz can do a dozen things not a single other unit in the codex can do even half as good, no matter how many points you sink in that unit. Lootaz are a must-take in any competitive environment. Without them you have no reliable way to get first blood, handle fliers, monstrous creatures and dangerous long-ranged AV12 vehicles like serpents or manticores.

However, unlike many people I don't think you have to bring 45 lootaz to every game - you should always be able to find room for your unit of burnaz.

The true trick to the burna/lootaz box is buying a box of boyz. The Loota/Burna box has five bodies, including the mek, a boyz box has eleven ork bodies and one nob. So if you buy a single box of ork boyz, you can take nine bodies out of the box and build all your 12 lootaz and burnaz. Be careful though, there is one torso in the boyz box which has a spikey metal bar connecting the shoulderpads of the ork - that one doesn't fit underneath the burna backback without some work, but it does fit underneath the deffgun. Toss the two nob torsos and the PK you get from the boyz box into your bitz box - you'll need them if you want to build nob bikers one day. The torsos from the boyz box fit the biker legs perfectly (one of the two torsos even is identical to one of the nob torsos in the biker box). Also keep the steel yaws and shoulder pads, for building a unit of 'ard boyz.

A couple words of advice:
1 - If you buy the kit, steal the torsos and heads from 4 Ork boyz and build 4 lootas, 4 burnas, and the mek all from that one kit. It saves money and you get both great models.
2 - Hijacking Trukks leaves you with small fragile squads of boys, I would recommend that you take Looted Wagons or (if you have the points lying around) battlewagons.
3 - ALWAYS include 1 or more Mek. This is vital. You can't kill models past the range of the highest ranged gun in the squad, meaning if you're only hitting the 3 closest guardsmen, but you've got 15 templates, you are still only killing those threw guardsman. Add 1 Big Shoota and you are suddenly killing another 24 models. (Assuming T3 enemies, hence the IG comparison. That's also another 8 Marines or 4 Terminators.)