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This focuses on holding and conquering territory, and advancing up and progressively taking ground.
I realize that the requirements for the defender are demanding, but these rules are intended for large games where forces are evenly distributed.
The intent here is for the attacker and move up and for the defender to defend specific territories. Close combat armies can still use cover and charge, though they would need to wait forces to advance before counter attacking. I think this could create good ambush tactics. This way, shooting armies that are attacking would need to find ways to advance and close combat armies would need to find ways to hold ground.
As a discussion grows in length, the probability of a comparison to Matt Ward or Gray Knights approaches one.
So, does this really serve any purpose besides advertising your site yet again? You don't even have a victory condition set for this mission, are you supposed to just play until you get tired and move on to something else?
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
I don't get it either. Can you really take up to 24 defender troop units? is it just a Metallica (Kill 'Em All) game? looks like one of the scenarios from Cities of Death or Battle Missions.
Just seems like another unfocused and pointless thread from Sturmkrieg.
Ok, I added one objective, which is reaching the opposite board edge for the attacker. For the defender, victory would be preventing that.
Peregrine wrote: So, does this really serve any purpose besides advertising your site yet again? You don't even have a victory condition set for this mission, are you supposed to just play until you get tired and move on to something else?
So how exactly does one advertise something that is non commercial.
This reminds me of the fanboy from Resin Forge who said that he was going to "boycott" Lexicanum.
NOTE: I'm saying in the picture that Resin Forge is stupid for their second comment, not you.
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SoloFalcon1138 wrote: I don't get it either. Can you really take up to 24 defender troop units? is it just a Metallica (Kill 'Em All) game? looks like one of the scenarios from Cities of Death or Battle Missions.
Just seems like another unfocused and pointless thread from Sturmkrieg.
BN, please don't talk gak about my work.
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So the game ends when the attacker gets a unit within 6" of the opposite board edge? Or did you intend it to mean that they have to be within 6" at the end of the game? How many turns do you envision? 5, 6 or 7?
You need to consider things like Outflank, which is an easy win for the attacker as early as Turn 2 in the current set up.
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HerbaciousT wrote: So the game ends when the attacker gets a unit within 6" of the opposite board edge? Or did you intend it to mean that they have to be within 6" at the end of the game? How many turns do you envision? 5, 6 or 7?
You need to consider things like Outflank, which is an easy win for the attacker as early as Turn 2 in the current set up.
I intended for it to attacker to have a unit there at the end of the game, not win automatically by getting there. I'm thinking that this would take 7 or 8 turns. That's longer than normal but the intent is for advancing and capturing territory, which would take longer.
Thanks for pointing out those problems. I'm going to add specifications that will remove rules that could allow an easy advance that way. I'll remove outflank and probably deep strike. Some armies with transport aircraft could still drop airborne troops at the board edge, but they would still need to get there and survive counter attacks.
As a discussion grows in length, the probability of a comparison to Matt Ward or Gray Knights approaches one.
Lol. This is a joke, right? Do you really not understand how someone can advertise a non-commercial website?
And you do it by making post after post with very little content beyond a link to your site. For example, starting a new thread to tell everyone about some minor fluff change you've made. Or this thread, where you posted a minimal-effort "mission" as an excuse to link to your site again. If you really cared about providing new content you'd finish the mission instead of leaving obvious problems like "not having any victory conditions", and you'd just post the rules in the OP instead of making everyone go to your site to read it.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Removing Outflanking and Deep Strike doesn't make sense, and probably wouldn't lead to an enjoyable game. Rather than play this mission, I imagine anyone who likes to use either of these rules would just slap together their own, more coherent version in a couple of minutes and play that instead.
I strongly agree with Solo here, this mission is very unfocused and incomplete. The restriction of the defenders units to the quarter they came in essentially restricts the defender to taking shooty stuff, and makes fast and choppy stuff useless to them.
Between that and banning outflank etc, you create a situation where IG barrage lists, Tau gunlines etc are even more overpowered than usual, while every other list gets the shaft.
If you want to remove the whole 'advertising' element, you could just remove the link to your site and instead post up that image in img tags in the first post.
Lol. This is a joke, right? Do you really not understand how someone can advertise a non-commercial website?
And you do it by making post after post with very little content beyond a link to your site. For example, starting a new thread to tell everyone about some minor fluff change you've made. Or this thread, where you posted a minimal-effort "mission" as an excuse to link to your site again. If you really cared about providing new content you'd finish the mission instead of leaving obvious problems like "not having any victory conditions", and you'd just post the rules in the OP instead of making everyone go to your site to read it.
No, you cannot "advertise" a non commercial website. There are not even advertisements there, so there's absolutely no benefit from people going to that page.
Those rules are a work in progress, and I deliberately waited until I had most of the important information, such as the special rule, the deployment, and force organization before sharing it. I thought the victory conditions would be obvious: conquer the board.
I'd really like to hear what supposed benefit I get by putting a link here, because I can name two very serious problems with sharing links here. First, there's a chance that it will slashdot the the wiki, and second, it screws up Google search results to discuss my work here. When doing a Google search for anything I've discussed here, Dakka always ranks first. That blew your theory into about a million pieces.
As a discussion grows in length, the probability of a comparison to Matt Ward or Gray Knights approaches one.
Either way, much like the Nazi-not Nazi/Russian background for your army, you posted an incomplete project as a finished product, then provided no improvement from the criticism. There was little in terms of actual rules for your scenario past a deployment scheme and a very unclear FOC reorganization.
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: No, you cannot "advertise" a non commercial website. There are not even advertisements there, so there's absolutely no benefit from people going to that page.
Sigh.
ad·ver·tise
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verb (used with object)
1.
to announce or praise (a product, service, etc.) in some public medium of communication in order to induce people to buy or use it: to advertise a new brand of toothpaste.
2.
to give information to the public about; announce publicly in a newspaper, on radio or television, etc.: to advertise a reward.
3.
to call attention to, in a boastful or ostentatious manner: Stop advertising yourself!
Those rules are a work in progress, and I deliberately waited until I had most of the important information, such as the special rule, the deployment, and force organization before sharing it. I thought the victory conditions would be obvious: conquer the board.
So why bother posting then? Why not finish it before posting anything? It's impossible to give useful feedback on a mission when you don't even know what the victory conditions are. And no, "conquer the board" is not a finished victory condition (objectives vs. area control, which units are scoring, etc).
(Of course we really know why, the goal is to post another link to your site, whether not the mission actually functions as a mission is irrelevant.)
I'd really like to hear what supposed benefit I get by putting a link here, because I can name two very serious problems with sharing links here.
I don't know. Maybe it's just an ego thing. But your posting record speaks for itself.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Dakkamite wrote: Removing Outflanking and Deep Strike doesn't make sense, and probably wouldn't lead to an enjoyable game. Rather than play this mission, I imagine anyone who likes to use either of these rules would just slap together their own, more coherent version in a couple of minutes and play that instead.
I strongly agree with Solo here, this mission is very unfocused and incomplete. The restriction of the defenders units to the quarter they came in essentially restricts the defender to taking shooty stuff, and makes fast and choppy stuff useless to them.
Between that and banning outflank etc, you create a situation where IG barrage lists, Tau gunlines etc are even more overpowered than usual, while every other list gets the shaft.
If you want to remove the whole 'advertising' element, you could just remove the link to your site and instead post up that image in img tags in the first post.
Close combat lists can still work where close combat units are used to counter attack as soon as a units enter their defensive quarter; until then they'd hide behind something.
I agree that IG and Tau would have a very strong advantage in defense, so I would recommend (and I'll put this on the page) that they be used for attack. I think that using IG or Tau as the attacker here could be a real challenge that could be fun.
I'll change the rules banning outflank and deep strike. Maybe no outflank and deep strike within 24" of the opposing table edge.
As a discussion grows in length, the probability of a comparison to Matt Ward or Gray Knights approaches one.
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: Close combat lists can still work where close combat units are used to counter attack as soon as a units enter their defensive quarter; until then they'd hide behind something.
Theres never anything to hide behind in a 40k game. Then even if there was, and they did this, I could just walk 2" away over the centre line and be immune to their attacks as they cannot leave their relevant quarter.
Tell me how that is balanced against shooty units.
I agree that IG and Tau would have a very strong advantage in defense, so I would recommend (and I'll put this on the page) that they be used for attack. I think that using IG or Tau as the attacker here could be a real challenge that could be fun.
If your scenario strongly favours certain factions in either role, it should be balanced so that all the factions have a fair go. Otherwise use it as a campaign only mission.
I'll change the rules banning outflank and deep strike. Maybe no outflank and deep strike within 24" of the opposing table edge.
I strongly recommend you change the mission, not the rules.
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: Either way, much like the Nazi-not Nazi/Russian background for your army, you posted an incomplete project as a finished product, then provided no improvement from the criticism. There was little in terms of actual rules for your scenario past a deployment scheme and a very unclear FOC reorganization.
Bryan, I am not going to tolerate your knowingly foolish claim that the Sturmkrieg Sector is somehow "Nazi" related. You even admit that you know how incorrect it is by showing that you know that it is Russian. It is extremely trivializing to the Holocaust and offensive to compare victim groups of the Holocaust to Nazis. It doesn't make you look cute; it just shows that you're a massively insensitive feth who thinks that it's acceptable to deny the murder of 25 million people and rape of 10 million women just to make an insult.
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some bloke wrote: you could allow units to charge out of their quarters, but they'd have to move back in after the assault, if they win.
I think something like that would be a good idea. One solution I'm planning is that forces can move to the zone next to them if 75% of the models in the zone they are moving into have been lost. This way the attacker still has to fight most of the army.
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: I'd really like to hear what supposed benefit I get by putting a link here, because I can name two very serious problems with sharing links here.
I don't know.
I didn't think so either. There is no benefit that I could possibly get by posting a link here and having people visit it. If anything, more people visiting web pages means that more money has to be spent on server resources.
Your petty personal attack has been exposed.
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As a discussion grows in length, the probability of a comparison to Matt Ward or Gray Knights approaches one.
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: Either way, much like the Nazi-not Nazi/Russian background for your army, you posted an incomplete project as a finished product, then provided no improvement from the criticism. There was little in terms of actual rules for your scenario past a deployment scheme and a very unclear FOC reorganization.
Bryan, I am not going to tolerate your knowingly foolish claim that the Sturmkrieg Sector is somehow "Nazi" related. You even admit that you know how incorrect it is by showing that you know that it is Russian. It is extremely trivializing to the Holocaust and offensive to compare victim groups of the Holocaust to Nazis. It doesn't make you look cute; it just shows that you're a massively insensitive feth who thinks that it's acceptable to deny the murder of 25 million people and rape of 10 million women just to make an insult.
So it's not insensitive that a majority of the art on Sturmkrieg is based, or has aesthetic similarities to that of Nazi Germany, and Soviet Russia? Isn't that trivialization? Alongside the odd mix of Russian and German awkwardly thrown into the language. Calling someone a 'feth' isn't helping your argument, and trying to Godwin the situation doesn't ether. I'd suggest you stop now.
I've also found the term "schwarzkommando" oddly similar to Schutzstaffel. Especially with the drawing you provided on your site.
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Little orphans in the snow
With nowhere to call a home
Start their singing, singing
Waiting through the summertime
To thaw your hearts in wintertime
That's why they're singing, singing
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: Either way, much like the Nazi-not Nazi/Russian background for your army, you posted an incomplete project as a finished product, then provided no improvement from the criticism. There was little in terms of actual rules for your scenario past a deployment scheme and a very unclear FOC reorganization.
Bryan, I am not going to tolerate your knowingly foolish claim that the Sturmkrieg Sector is somehow "Nazi" related. You even admit that you know how incorrect it is by showing that you know that it is Russian. It is extremely trivializing to the Holocaust and offensive to compare victim groups of the Holocaust to Nazis. It doesn't make you look cute; it just shows that you're a massively insensitive feth who thinks that it's acceptable to deny the murder of 25 million people and rape of 10 million women just to make an insult.
Calm down, scharzenkommando. I was merely commenting that you tend to post incomplete projects as finished products of tour imagination, and then become confused and indignant when people comment on the holes in the plot or logic of your work.
Now, back on topic... How would the attackers be able to outflank if they are only permitted to do so in their table section? and how does the modified FOC chart work? wouldn't it be easier to refer to Cities of Death and Battle Missions for a scenario like this?
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: Either way, much like the Nazi-not Nazi/Russian background for your army, you posted an incomplete project as a finished product, then provided no improvement from the criticism. There was little in terms of actual rules for your scenario past a deployment scheme and a very unclear FOC reorganization.
Bryan, I am not going to tolerate your knowingly foolish claim that the Sturmkrieg Sector is somehow "Nazi" related. You even admit that you know how incorrect it is by showing that you know that it is Russian. It is extremely trivializing to the Holocaust and offensive to compare victim groups of the Holocaust to Nazis. It doesn't make you look cute; it just shows that you're a massively insensitive feth who thinks that it's acceptable to deny the murder of 25 million people and rape of 10 million women just to make an insult.
So it's not insensitive that a majority of the art on Sturmkrieg is based, or has aesthetic similarities to that of Nazi Germany, and Soviet Russia? Isn't that trivialization? Alongside the odd mix of Russian and German awkwardly thrown into the language. Calling someone a 'feth' isn't helping your argument, and trying to Godwin the situation doesn't ether. I'd suggest you stop now.
I've also found the term "schwarzkommando" oddly similar to Schutzstaffel. Especially with the drawing you provided on your site.
There is nothing specifically "Nazi" at all; anyone who sees Nazis in German stuff is doing so because they want to, and that reveals a lot about them. As you may have noticed looking back at SoloFalcon's comment, he is the one to bring up Nazis, so he is the only one "Godwining" the situation.
By "schwarzkommando" I am assuming that you mean Scharzenkommando, which follows English pronouciation. (The German version is Scharsenkommando.) I completely fail to see the connection between that and Schutzstaffel, as there are no similar sounds, except for the first letter. The compound words are not even the same; SK as opposed to SS. Again, I am led to assume that this is you seeing this non existent connection because you have Nazis on the mind; I say this as someone who studies the Third Reich, and even I don't think that words like "staffel" and "kommando" sound similar.
As for your example of the drawing, I again fail the similarities:
EDIT– Collapsed due to having huge images
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The designs and styles are not even the slightest bit similar. The Scharzenkommando uniform is baggy, has large boots, and a drab utilitarian appearance, which is in contrast to the Allgemeine SS (the regular SS) uniform that has a tight fit, has riding boots, and is designed to function as a dress uniform.
What makes your claim even more ridiculous is that the Nazis would never have ever put women in the military.
If anyone were making a historical connection, I think this would be far more likely:
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: Either way, much like the Nazi-not Nazi/Russian background for your army, you posted an incomplete project as a finished product, then provided no improvement from the criticism. There was little in terms of actual rules for your scenario past a deployment scheme and a very unclear FOC reorganization.
Bryan, I am not going to tolerate your knowingly foolish claim that the Sturmkrieg Sector is somehow "Nazi" related. You even admit that you know how incorrect it is by showing that you know that it is Russian. It is extremely trivializing to the Holocaust and offensive to compare victim groups of the Holocaust to Nazis. It doesn't make you look cute; it just shows that you're a massively insensitive feth who thinks that it's acceptable to deny the murder of 25 million people and rape of 10 million women just to make an insult.
Calm down, scharzenkommando. I was merely commenting that you tend to post incomplete projects as finished products of tour imagination, and then become confused and indignant when people comment on the holes in the plot or logic of your work.
Now, back on topic... How would the attackers be able to outflank if they are only permitted to do so in their table section? and how does the modified FOC chart work? wouldn't it be easier to refer to Cities of Death and Battle Missions for a scenario like this?
OK, yes, I'm not angry at you. That counter post above is not directed at you.
In such a situation (not saying it's going to stay) the attacker would be limited to outflanking for the beginning part of the invasion. The FOC for the defender was based around the zones of defense, where each zone would contain a self contained force. I think that there's still a good bit of flexibility with it. For example, the defender could arrange his fortifications into two defensive lines and position his forces on them where they run through each force's zone.
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As a discussion grows in length, the probability of a comparison to Matt Ward or Gray Knights approaches one.
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: Either way, much like the Nazi-not Nazi/Russian background for your army, you posted an incomplete project as a finished product, then provided no improvement from the criticism. There was little in terms of actual rules for your scenario past a deployment scheme and a very unclear FOC reorganization.
Bryan, I am not going to tolerate your knowingly foolish claim that the Sturmkrieg Sector is somehow "Nazi" related. You even admit that you know how incorrect it is by showing that you know that it is Russian. It is extremely trivializing to the Holocaust and offensive to compare victim groups of the Holocaust to Nazis. It doesn't make you look cute; it just shows that you're a massively insensitive feth who thinks that it's acceptable to deny the murder of 25 million people and rape of 10 million women just to make an insult.
So it's not insensitive that a majority of the art on Sturmkrieg is based, or has aesthetic similarities to that of Nazi Germany, and Soviet Russia? Isn't that trivialization? Alongside the odd mix of Russian and German awkwardly thrown into the language. Calling someone a 'feth' isn't helping your argument, and trying to Godwin the situation doesn't ether. I'd suggest you stop now.
I've also found the term "schwarzkommando" oddly similar to Schutzstaffel. Especially with the drawing you provided on your site.
There is nothing specifically "Nazi" at all; anyone who sees Nazis in German stuff is doing so because they want to, and that reveals a lot about them. As you may have noticed looking back at SoloFalcon's comment, he is the one to bring up Nazis, so he is the only one "Godwining" the situation.
By "schwarzkommando" I am assuming that you mean Scharzenkommando, which follows English pronouciation. (The German version is Scharsenkommando.) I completely fail to see the connection between that and Schutzstaffel, as there are no similar sounds, except for the first letter. The compound words are not even the same; SK as opposed to SS. Again, I am led to assume that this is you seeing this non existent connection because you have Nazis on the mind; I say this as someone who studies the Third Reich, and even I don't think that words like "staffel" and "kommando" sound similar.
As for your example of the drawing, I again fail the similarities:
The designs and styles are not even the slightest bit similar. The Scharzenkommando uniform is baggy, has large boots, and a drab utilitarian appearance, which is in contrast to the Allgemeine SS (the regular SS) uniform that has a tight fit, has riding boots, and is designed to function as a dress uniform.
What makes your claim even more ridiculous is that the Nazis would never have ever put women in the military.
If anyone were making a historical connection, I think this would be far more likely:
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: Either way, much like the Nazi-not Nazi/Russian background for your army, you posted an incomplete project as a finished product, then provided no improvement from the criticism. There was little in terms of actual rules for your scenario past a deployment scheme and a very unclear FOC reorganization.
Bryan, I am not going to tolerate your knowingly foolish claim that the Sturmkrieg Sector is somehow "Nazi" related. You even admit that you know how incorrect it is by showing that you know that it is Russian. It is extremely trivializing to the Holocaust and offensive to compare victim groups of the Holocaust to Nazis. It doesn't make you look cute; it just shows that you're a massively insensitive feth who thinks that it's acceptable to deny the murder of 25 million people and rape of 10 million women just to make an insult.
Calm down, scharzenkommando. I was merely commenting that you tend to post incomplete projects as finished products of tour imagination, and then become confused and indignant when people comment on the holes in the plot or logic of your work.
Now, back on topic... How would the attackers be able to outflank if they are only permitted to do so in their table section? and how does the modified FOC chart work? wouldn't it be easier to refer to Cities of Death and Battle Missions for a scenario like this?
OK, yes, I'm not angry at you. That counter post above is not directed at you.
In such a situation (not saying it's going to stay) the attacker would be limited to outflanking for the beginning part of the invasion. The FOC for the defender was based around the zones of defense, where each zone would contain a self contained force. I think that there's still a good bit of flexibility with it. For example, the defender could arrange his fortifications into two defensive lines and position his forces on them where they run through each force's zone.
Spoiler:
Sturmkrieg wrote:As you can see, there is similarity with both uniforms. I also noticed this, exceptionally strange and creepy section on the 403rd Army Group;
Kasr Freiwehrkrieg is inhabited entirely by the "Eastern Vinter" sub-race. According to Sturmkrieg diversity laws, it will remain this way both to protect the effectiveness of the Heinrich Kernish, and to ensure ethnic diversity. The people of Freiwehrkrieg are almost without exception tall, blue eyed, attractive, strong, blond, and fair skinned; dark brown hair is a frequent, although minority trait. They are similar to the Urash and Nordyc people of ancient Terra. The common height for women is around 5'6" to 5'9". The height for most of the men is between 5'11" and 6'3"
Which fits well into the Nazi's propaganda for their ideal of a 'supreme' race, blond hair, blue eyes and a 'good' height. And then there is this....
Sturmkrieg wrote:Since the beginning of the Sturmkreig unterreich, Sascha Kreiger understood the need to protect the diversity of sub races that would develop as the people spread out across the stars. The intent was to perserve genetic diversity as well as the wide range of physical appearances. Under the diversity laws, once a planetary population becomes significantly different in appearance, it is labled a sub race. Reproduction is only permitted within the sub race in order to protect the diversity.
Once again, sub-species? Genetic diversity? This is, once again in line with the laws of the Nazi's state and their propaganda.
Little orphans in the snow
With nowhere to call a home
Start their singing, singing
Waiting through the summertime
To thaw your hearts in wintertime
That's why they're singing, singing
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: Either way, much like the Nazi-not Nazi/Russian background for your army, you posted an incomplete project as a finished product, then provided no improvement from the criticism. There was little in terms of actual rules for your scenario past a deployment scheme and a very unclear FOC reorganization.
Bryan, I am not going to tolerate your knowingly foolish claim that the Sturmkrieg Sector is somehow "Nazi" related. You even admit that you know how incorrect it is by showing that you know that it is Russian. It is extremely trivializing to the Holocaust and offensive to compare victim groups of the Holocaust to Nazis. It doesn't make you look cute; it just shows that you're a massively insensitive feth who thinks that it's acceptable to deny the murder of 25 million people and rape of 10 million women just to make an insult.
So it's not insensitive that a majority of the art on Sturmkrieg is based, or has aesthetic similarities to that of Nazi Germany, and Soviet Russia? Isn't that trivialization? Alongside the odd mix of Russian and German awkwardly thrown into the language. Calling someone a 'feth' isn't helping your argument, and trying to Godwin the situation doesn't ether. I'd suggest you stop now.
I've also found the term "schwarzkommando" oddly similar to Schutzstaffel. Especially with the drawing you provided on your site.
There is nothing specifically "Nazi" at all; anyone who sees Nazis in German stuff is doing so because they want to, and that reveals a lot about them. As you may have noticed looking back at SoloFalcon's comment, he is the one to bring up Nazis, so he is the only one "Godwining" the situation.
By "schwarzkommando" I am assuming that you mean Scharzenkommando, which follows English pronouciation. (The German version is Scharsenkommando.) I completely fail to see the connection between that and Schutzstaffel, as there are no similar sounds, except for the first letter. The compound words are not even the same; SK as opposed to SS. Again, I am led to assume that this is you seeing this non existent connection because you have Nazis on the mind; I say this as someone who studies the Third Reich, and even I don't think that words like "staffel" and "kommando" sound similar.
As for your example of the drawing, I again fail the similarities:
The designs and styles are not even the slightest bit similar. The Scharzenkommando uniform is baggy, has large boots, and a drab utilitarian appearance, which is in contrast to the Allgemeine SS (the regular SS) uniform that has a tight fit, has riding boots, and is designed to function as a dress uniform.
What makes your claim even more ridiculous is that the Nazis would never have ever put women in the military.
If anyone were making a historical connection, I think this would be far more likely:
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: Either way, much like the Nazi-not Nazi/Russian background for your army, you posted an incomplete project as a finished product, then provided no improvement from the criticism. There was little in terms of actual rules for your scenario past a deployment scheme and a very unclear FOC reorganization.
Bryan, I am not going to tolerate your knowingly foolish claim that the Sturmkrieg Sector is somehow "Nazi" related. You even admit that you know how incorrect it is by showing that you know that it is Russian. It is extremely trivializing to the Holocaust and offensive to compare victim groups of the Holocaust to Nazis. It doesn't make you look cute; it just shows that you're a massively insensitive feth who thinks that it's acceptable to deny the murder of 25 million people and rape of 10 million women just to make an insult.
Calm down, scharzenkommando. I was merely commenting that you tend to post incomplete projects as finished products of tour imagination, and then become confused and indignant when people comment on the holes in the plot or logic of your work.
Now, back on topic... How would the attackers be able to outflank if they are only permitted to do so in their table section? and how does the modified FOC chart work? wouldn't it be easier to refer to Cities of Death and Battle Missions for a scenario like this?
OK, yes, I'm not angry at you. That counter post above is not directed at you.
In such a situation (not saying it's going to stay) the attacker would be limited to outflanking for the beginning part of the invasion. The FOC for the defender was based around the zones of defense, where each zone would contain a self contained force. I think that there's still a good bit of flexibility with it. For example, the defender could arrange his fortifications into two defensive lines and position his forces on them where they run through each force's zone.
The Nazi uniforms are dress uniforms with peaked caps and riding boots, none of which are featured in the Scharzekommando uniform. Again, you demonstrate that you just want to see the Scharzenkommando as Nazi related. Let's also not forget the fact that the Nazis were sexist pigs who would never allow women anywhere near meaningful military roles.
Sturmkrieg wrote:As you can see, there is similarity with both uniforms. I also noticed this, exceptionally strange and creepy section on the 403rd Army Group; Kasr Freiwehrkrieg is inhabited entirely by the "Eastern Vinter" sub-race. According to Sturmkrieg diversity laws, it will remain this way both to protect the effectiveness of the Heinrich Kernish, and to ensure ethnic diversity. The people of Freiwehrkrieg are almost without exception tall, blue eyed, attractive, strong, blond, and fair skinned; dark brown hair is a frequent, although minority trait. They are similar to the Urash and Nordyc people of ancient Terra. The common height for women is around 5'6" to 5'9". The height for most of the men is between 5'11" and 6'3"
Which fits well into the Nazi's propaganda for their ideal of a 'supreme' race, blond hair, blue eyes and a 'good' height. And then there is this....
Sturmkrieg wrote:Since the beginning of the Sturmkreig unterreich, Sascha Kreiger understood the need to protect the diversity of sub races that would develop as the people spread out across the stars. The intent was to perserve genetic diversity as well as the wide range of physical appearances. Under the diversity laws, once a planetary population becomes significantly different in appearance, it is labled a sub race. Reproduction is only permitted within the sub race in order to protect the diversity.
Once again, sub-species? Genetic diversity? This is, once again in line with the laws of the Nazi's state and their propaganda.
You quote mined an article about a single world that has a tall and blond population. You should also be aware that the same people are also Mongolian themed, and the Nazis had extreme racism against Mongolians and stereotyped all Russians as being Asiatic and Mongolian.
There are also plenty of other planets that have black and middle eastern themed populations. Not sure how much of that I've actually written, but I've had discussions here were I talked about adding black and other non white people into the Sturmkrieg Sector. Racism aside, filling the 40k universe with white people is boring and unimaginative.
I realize I'm doing this, but I don't care since it means calling you out on willfully wanting to insert Nazis into what you're reading.
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As a discussion grows in length, the probability of a comparison to Matt Ward or Gray Knights approaches one.
I am not sure why the accusations of Nazi similarities leveled at some aspects of Sturmkreig are in any way related to the scenario at hand. True, the mission was unfocused, but the purpose of the proposed rules forum for many is to acquire feedback for ideas.
However, for someone who claims to have studied the third reich
THIS
What makes your claim even more ridiculous is that the Nazis would never have ever put women in the military.
is rather embarrassing.
Have you ever heard of the 500,000 strong auxillary corps Wehrmachtshelferinnen?
On the topic at hand, I do not think that the scenario is balanced, restricting the defender to a gunline, and removing all other aspects, seriously screwing many armies.
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I am not sure why the accusations of Nazi similarities leveled at some aspects of Sturmkreig are in any way related to the scenario at hand. True, the mission was unfocused, but the purpose of the proposed rules forum for many is to acquire feedback for ideas.
However, for someone who claims to have studied the third reich
THIS
What makes your claim even more ridiculous is that the Nazis would never have ever put women in the military.
is rather embarrassing.
Have you ever heard of the 500,000 strong auxillary corps Wehrmachtshelferinnen?
Kind of a large mistake to make.
On the topic at hand, I do not think that the scenario is balanced, restricting the defender to a gunline, and removing all other aspects, seriously screwing many armies.
It's not. The dude is derailing the thread.
I'm aware of the Helferinnen, but they were entirely non combat and didn't come close to more gender equal societies such as the Soviet Union, which included women as fighter and ground attack pilots and soldiers.
As a discussion grows in length, the probability of a comparison to Matt Ward or Gray Knights approaches one.
I'm aware of the Helferinnen, but they were entirely non combat and didn't come close to more gender equal societies such as the Soviet Union, which included women as fighter and ground attack pilots and soldiers.
Nevertheless, your assertion that there were no women in the military was incorrect.
Anyhow, I agree that there seems to be some personal aggression from peregrine and SoloFalcon derailing the thread.
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I'm aware of the Helferinnen, but they were entirely non combat and didn't come close to more gender equal societies such as the Soviet Union, which included women as fighter and ground attack pilots and soldiers.
Nevertheless, your assertion that there were no women in the military was incorrect.
Anyhow, I agree that there seems to be some personal aggression from peregrine and SoloFalcon derailing the thread.
SoloFalcon seems alright. He did pose a productive question. Peregrine though was off on some crack idea that I somehow benefitted from people going to Sturmkrieg. I've been intentionally discussing it less because it screws up the search results with Google.
As a discussion grows in length, the probability of a comparison to Matt Ward or Gray Knights approaches one.
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: Either way, much like the Nazi-not Nazi/Russian background for your army, you posted an incomplete project as a finished product, then provided no improvement from the criticism. There was little in terms of actual rules for your scenario past a deployment scheme and a very unclear FOC reorganization.
Bryan, I am not going to tolerate your knowingly foolish claim that the Sturmkrieg Sector is somehow "Nazi" related. You even admit that you know how incorrect it is by showing that you know that it is Russian. It is extremely trivializing to the Holocaust and offensive to compare victim groups of the Holocaust to Nazis. It doesn't make you look cute; it just shows that you're a massively insensitive feth who thinks that it's acceptable to deny the murder of 25 million people and rape of 10 million women just to make an insult.
So it's not insensitive that a majority of the art on Sturmkrieg is based, or has aesthetic similarities to that of Nazi Germany, and Soviet Russia? Isn't that trivialization? Alongside the odd mix of Russian and German awkwardly thrown into the language. Calling someone a 'feth' isn't helping your argument, and trying to Godwin the situation doesn't ether. I'd suggest you stop now.
I've also found the term "schwarzkommando" oddly similar to Schutzstaffel. Especially with the drawing you provided on your site.
There is nothing specifically "Nazi" at all; anyone who sees Nazis in German stuff is doing so because they want to, and that reveals a lot about them. As you may have noticed looking back at SoloFalcon's comment, he is the one to bring up Nazis, so he is the only one "Godwining" the situation.
By "schwarzkommando" I am assuming that you mean Scharzenkommando, which follows English pronouciation. (The German version is Scharsenkommando.) I completely fail to see the connection between that and Schutzstaffel, as there are no similar sounds, except for the first letter. The compound words are not even the same; SK as opposed to SS. Again, I am led to assume that this is you seeing this non existent connection because you have Nazis on the mind; I say this as someone who studies the Third Reich, and even I don't think that words like "staffel" and "kommando" sound similar.
As for your example of the drawing, I again fail the similarities:
The designs and styles are not even the slightest bit similar. The Scharzenkommando uniform is baggy, has large boots, and a drab utilitarian appearance, which is in contrast to the Allgemeine SS (the regular SS) uniform that has a tight fit, has riding boots, and is designed to function as a dress uniform.
What makes your claim even more ridiculous is that the Nazis would never have ever put women in the military.
If anyone were making a historical connection, I think this would be far more likely:
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: Either way, much like the Nazi-not Nazi/Russian background for your army, you posted an incomplete project as a finished product, then provided no improvement from the criticism. There was little in terms of actual rules for your scenario past a deployment scheme and a very unclear FOC reorganization.
Bryan, I am not going to tolerate your knowingly foolish claim that the Sturmkrieg Sector is somehow "Nazi" related. You even admit that you know how incorrect it is by showing that you know that it is Russian. It is extremely trivializing to the Holocaust and offensive to compare victim groups of the Holocaust to Nazis. It doesn't make you look cute; it just shows that you're a massively insensitive feth who thinks that it's acceptable to deny the murder of 25 million people and rape of 10 million women just to make an insult.
Calm down, scharzenkommando. I was merely commenting that you tend to post incomplete projects as finished products of tour imagination, and then become confused and indignant when people comment on the holes in the plot or logic of your work.
Now, back on topic... How would the attackers be able to outflank if they are only permitted to do so in their table section? and how does the modified FOC chart work? wouldn't it be easier to refer to Cities of Death and Battle Missions for a scenario like this?
OK, yes, I'm not angry at you. That counter post above is not directed at you.
In such a situation (not saying it's going to stay) the attacker would be limited to outflanking for the beginning part of the invasion. The FOC for the defender was based around the zones of defense, where each zone would contain a self contained force. I think that there's still a good bit of flexibility with it. For example, the defender could arrange his fortifications into two defensive lines and position his forces on them where they run through each force's zone.
The Nazi uniforms are dress uniforms with peaked caps and riding boots, none of which are featured in the Scharzekommando uniform. Again, you demonstrate that you just want to see the Scharzenkommando as Nazi related. Let's also not forget the fact that the Nazis were sexist pigs who would never allow women anywhere near meaningful military roles.
Sturmkrieg wrote:As you can see, there is similarity with both uniforms. I also noticed this, exceptionally strange and creepy section on the 403rd Army Group;
Kasr Freiwehrkrieg is inhabited entirely by the "Eastern Vinter" sub-race. According to Sturmkrieg diversity laws, it will remain this way both to protect the effectiveness of the Heinrich Kernish, and to ensure ethnic diversity. The people of Freiwehrkrieg are almost without exception tall, blue eyed, attractive, strong, blond, and fair skinned; dark brown hair is a frequent, although minority trait. They are similar to the Urash and Nordyc people of ancient Terra. The common height for women is around 5'6" to 5'9". The height for most of the men is between 5'11" and 6'3"
Which fits well into the Nazi's propaganda for their ideal of a 'supreme' race, blond hair, blue eyes and a 'good' height. And then there is this....
Sturmkrieg wrote:Since the beginning of the Sturmkreig unterreich, Sascha Kreiger understood the need to protect the diversity of sub races that would develop as the people spread out across the stars. The intent was to perserve genetic diversity as well as the wide range of physical appearances. Under the diversity laws, once a planetary population becomes significantly different in appearance, it is labled a sub race. Reproduction is only permitted within the sub race in order to protect the diversity.
Once again, sub-species? Genetic diversity? This is, once again in line with the laws of the Nazi's state and their propaganda.
You quote mined an article about a single world that has a tall and blond population. You should also be aware that the same people are also Mongolian themed, and the Nazis had extreme racism against Mongolians and stereotyped all Russians as being Asiatic and Mongolian.
There are also plenty of other planets that have black and middle eastern themed populations. Not sure how much of that I've actually written, but I've had discussions here were I talked about adding black and other non white people into the Sturmkrieg Sector. Racism aside, filling the 40k universe with white people is boring and unimaginative.
You seem to ignore why I'm quoting these sections...
It's because both are very similar to the nature of the Nazi State, and how they divided people into sub races and created an image of genetic purity. I'm stating that these are further similarities between Sturmkrieg and the Nazi's, which you deny fervently. You must admit that these are two clear similarity's.
Also, the SS did have non-German auxiliary recruited from countries they had conquered. By the end of the war, the SS had numerous nationalities part of it's ranks.
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Little orphans in the snow
With nowhere to call a home
Start their singing, singing
Waiting through the summertime
To thaw your hearts in wintertime
That's why they're singing, singing
You seem to ignore why I'm quoting these sections...
It's because both are very similar to the nature of the Nazi State, and how they divided people into sub races and created an image of genetic purity. I'm stating that these are further similarities between Sturmkrieg and the Nazi's, which you deny fervently. You must admit that these are two clear similarity's.
Also, the SS did have non-German auxiliary recruited from countries they had conquered. By the end of the war, the SS had numerous nationalities part of it's ranks.
That is a policy of the Imperium in general, a state far worse than the Nazis ever were.
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Yes, but the specific nature of "blond hair, blue eyes", is a fairly well known aspect of the Nazi's belief in superior humans.
Little orphans in the snow
With nowhere to call a home
Start their singing, singing
Waiting through the summertime
To thaw your hearts in wintertime
That's why they're singing, singing
Tzeentch Daemons 2000pts 
Kabal of the Sundering Strike 2500pts
Eldar Corsairs 750pts 
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