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So, read through my buddies codex since I think that dark eldar are pretty sweet, even if I don't want to play them...and two things really stood out to me:

A) Lady Malys. Is she possessed by a daemon of Tzeentch? That whole bit about her cutting out her own heart and replacing it with the beating lump of crystal from the unnamed entity she met in the depths of the webway, the fact all her schemes have become even more labyrinthine and far-reaching, and when she looks into a mirror, she bursts into fits of laughter that seem to come from many voices all kind of points to a resounding YES in my book. What's your views on this? (Also, at least in older lore, wasn't it impossible for an eldar to be possessed? Or was that just their Craftworld kin?)

B) Kheradruakh. Is he in league with the Chaos powers? Codex describes his collection of skulls all facing the same point of space and that perhaps once he has enough he'll be able to use their baleful energies to tear a hole in the webway and let the warp spill into Commoragh. Is this your interperatation as well?


Maybe it's just my Chaos tainted mind, but I see the work of the Gods everywhere in the 40k universe, and it seems (at least to me) that even though Commoragh survived the Fall, they aren't beyond the reach of the Four.

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It's not impossible for Eldar to be possessed. There are mentions of the chaos eldar and they make the DE look like boy scouts.
It's just unlikely to happen to them.

A craftworlder has all these wards and protections - not to mention the waystone they wear.

DE don't worship chaos (they are as deathly afraid of Slaanesh as their cousins) and their actions are more akin to throwing you at the bear whilst trying to outrun it. They don't permit psykers into Commoragh.

Other fluff has it that farseers will crystallise as they age, and at a certain point, they will go to the "dome of crystal seers" to stay the remainder of their days, in a crystalline statue part of the infinity circuit.

ALL the fluff in 40k is contradicted by all the other stuff. All and none is true or consistent. I see the scrbblings of the mad and deranged in 40k fluff. So far I haven't been disappointed.

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A) I personally believe its much more likely for Lady Malys to be possessed by the Laughing God Cegorarch. Why would a Daemon be in the webway? Even if it was, how would it not fade away or be noticed. While Cegorarch lives in the Webway, likes riddles and the whole laughing when no one is around has it for me. (It is possible for Eldar to be possessed, that's how Harlequins are made. An aspirant is possessed by a Hreater Daemon of Slaanesh and they have to either force it out of there body, get possessed and slain by fellow Harlequins or simply destroy the greater daemon, resulting in a Solitaire)

B. Please don't make me spell his name. I will call him the Mr K. Daemons? There are far worse things then Daemons my lad. The webway is inhabited by many strange and powerful beings, and its my opinion Mandrakes belong to one of those powers rather then a chaos god. What makes the shadows come to life? That's not any chaos god we know. But whatever IT is, that's what Mr K is working for. I have a very nice piece of Fanfiction called Warhammer age of dusk 60K which takes a look at both these characters, together, and answers all your questions. Its also a great read!

Spoiler:
The Revolt of Shadows:

Vect’s injury by the Wolf King Russ had triggered a great wave of opportunistic attacks by the Archons of his rival Kabals, and even those within the Kabal of the Black Heart; if the High Lord could be made to bleed, then he was not flawless and he could be bested, somehow. This period of excitement was known as the year of a thousand revolts (even though the actual number of revolts directed against Vect was far higher than a mere one thousand).

Every conniving and ambitious eldar in Commorragh seemed to make an attempt at undermining or unseating Vect from power. Vect turned each attempt inside out, causing the death of its conspirators, or turning conspirators against his other enemies, and hence eliminating them both. This year of madness was a great boon to the Commorrites, who greatly enjoyed using their realspace raid soul-bounties to fund epic carnage across the city. Wych tournaments spilled out onto the streets, and into the eyries and spires across the impossible city. Sub-realms cavorted and rose up, as political animals prowled and devoured one another in Machiavellian schemes that would make a mere human politician weep in envy. As this chaos swept up more and more of the populace into its storm reaches, Vect stood at the eye of the storm, a deceptively calm place.

Vect himself, though he would never show it to any living being, was tiring. Millions were dying to feed his black web of a mind. He even began to eat the eyes of seers, the choicest and most nutritious of soul essence available. Even his labyrinthine mind struggled to cope with the myriad plots and conspiracies levelled against him and his allies. Despite this, Vect knew there was some force behind the year of a thousand revolts, a mind comparable to his in cunning and duplicity. There was only one Dark Eldar taht truly fit that description; Lady Aurelia Malys. Her Poisoned Tongue Kabal were pitting the other kabals against Vect, somehow managing to get their archons destroyed in the process. Yet, Malys was not taking over these Kabals, or putting her own puppet Archons in their place. This intrigued Vect most of all, as this seemed to lack ambition. She was forgoing personal power and advancement. Dark Eldar were all sociopathic narcissists at heart, Vect had learnt this over millennia; no matter how noble or deranged they seemed, if given the chance to become one of the inner circle of the powerful, an eldar would always slither into line and play to Vect’s tune. Yet Malys, alone amongst the eldar, did not.

Vect reached a conclusion then that he had long suspected; Lady Malys was not an eldar. Not anymore. As civil war continued to rage, Vect had Malys hunted down. The trackers followed her to a vast hemispherical sanctum, deep within the catacombs clinging to the underside of Commorragh like tumour growths. Soon, as Vect watched through his hunter-puppets’ eyes, the chamber was revealed to be a domed chamber. Every space inch of space on the sloping walls were occupied by perfectly placed skulls. All of the skulls peered inwards, towards a dais. To the left of the dais, Lady Malys herself stood, a smile impossibly wide on her lips. Vect’s kill team wasted no time in opening fire upon the Archon, but she could not be struck. Every crystal splinter, every baleful blast of energy, every razor-edged disk, missed her comfortably. When ranged weapons failed, his mercenaries eagerly leapt into combat with her. Even though her skill was exquisite and her elegant kills were a joy for Vect to view through his vid-steals, his hired killers were masters of their art, and surrounded her with expert precision. If malys had been fighting them alone, she would have perished there.

If.

Suddenly, one by one, the hunters were falling, cut down by something swift and unseen, like fluid shadow. Their heads were taken one by one, clattering with a crunch to the floor, which was covered in shattered skulls. This was Kheradruakh’s lair, ‘He Who Hunts Heads’. The Decapitator.

With a grin on her face, Malys plucked the last hunter’s severed head from the floor, so she could peer into Vect’s eyes vicariously.

“Good evening my love,” she purred sweetly, before she broke down into violent, shuddering laughter.

Vect smiled back, for he knew the creature within could see him too, impossible as it seemed. “I was wondering when we would meet. I would have thought this meeting could have been conducted sooner,” Vect replied. “’My Love’ was a good touch though. Very menacing,” Vect added, mockingly.

“Do not be like that, young master Vect. Have I been such a neglectful landlord? Have I not kept the ravages of the Young Prince from you? Your voice suggests a significant lack of gratitude.”

Vect dismissed the reply with a theatrical gesture. “Gratitude is so tedious. It implies that the gratified owes their patron a favour. I owe you nothing.”

The being within Malys chuckled, the crystal heart in her chest glimmering with multiple hues within her breast. “Oh, the eldar owe me a great many things, but that is not why I lured your men here.”

“Indeed?” Vect responded, raising an eyebrow lazily.

“I lured them here to bear witness. I feel it is only fair the High Lord of my tenants understands why I must punish your species.”

Vect began to lose patience with the shimmering fiend wearing Malys’ flesh. “Do not presume to threaten me. Do not think that being a god will protect you from me, should I choose to... lose my temper with you.”

Malys burst into laughter upon hearing Vect’s threat. “You absurd little parasite! You do amuse me so. But enough of the games I think. Your regime has hamstrung my efforts on the galactic stage. Your creed of self-interest has united your ‘Dark Eldar’ under the banner of disunity. A delightful paradox to be sure, but not one that aids me. You are an unknown quantity; a rogue element, scuppering everyone’s plans with your soul-drinking, raping, pillaging nonsense. I have wars to win, and universes to conquer. I shall give you another chance, Asdrubael Vect, son of Ulthaneshu Vect, to bend the knee to your master, and bring your Kabals into line behind me. The war has started; if we do not act soon, you might miss it.”

It was Vect’s turn to laugh, though his was a dry, hideous thing, devoid of any warmth (if it his voice had ever had warmth in it to begin with, records do not say). “I have no master. I have no equals. I will not be a mere pawn in your great game, Aurelia Malys, host of the crystal heart of Cegorach. My realm is a meritocracy of murder. You shall never tame us.”

“Never say never, my dear. If you will not be tamed, your race with just have to be... caged,” Malys responded with a perverse smile, as she handed the severed head to the Decapitator. The shadow-skinned half-breed carefully peeled the head, before scuttling up to the highest ring of his hemispherical lair. There, he set the skull in the final vacant niche. Then, the webway trembled.

The lights in Vect’s personal chambers began to flicker. Though his chambers were physically many light years from the Decapitator’s lair, deep in lightless Aelindrach, they were linked to that realm, and all sub-realms, via the webway’s eternal strands and tributaries. Vect sneered, disdainful of the building disjunction.

“You intend to breach the webway? Set daemons amongst the alleys and haunted mews of Commorragh? Daemons are nothing to us. We have weathered such things before, Jackal Godhead.”

Malys gave Vect an expression of mock confusion. “Daemons? Oh, there are far worse things than daemons...”

As she said this, she gestured to the dais at the centre of the dome. Something was coalescing at its heart; a coiling, living shade, a yawning chasm of unlight, drinking in what little illumination remained in the chamber. Vect cut off the vid-steal feed, but malys’ laughter echoed long after her image faded.

Vect leaned back in his throne, as his chamber began to darken around him. Through his spider-ribbed windows, he could see the twilight of Commorragh was becoming something else; something darker. The usual screaming and endless shrieking of Commorragh took on a different timbre. They went from a glorious cacophony, to a strangled gasp, as if the entire city had collectively taken a breath, before some deep plunge. Vect ignored his alien bodyguards as they burst into his chamber, breathlessly warning him of the unfolding disaster. He could see it for himself; the tendrils of blackness coiling around mile-high spires, the capering... things which he could not quite make out through the darkness, even with his enhanced eyesight.

Carefully, he formed a steeple with his fingers, and licked his sallow lips and his perfect, needle-sharp teeth. The Long Night had come, it would seem.

“What do we do, my Lord?” a Dracon asked. Vect gestured to one of his Sslyth, who neatly beheaded the simpering whelp. Vect carefully placed one finger to his lips.

“Ssssh... I am thinking,” he responded; as he plucked the unfortunate Dracon’s eyes from his skull one by one.

In his head, he made a promise to Cegorach, a promise he knew the laughing god could hear. Once Vect had freed himself from the Revolt of Shadows, he would enact such terrible vengeance upon Cegorach, poets and sadists across a thousand universes wouldn’t be able to categorise all the new ways he would wring agony from the trickster god.

But for the moment, Vect decided, as he dodged the many-limbed shade-daemon that suddenly leapt from the darkness and dashed his throne to splinters, his city would be a little preoccupied.

Only the Kabal of the Poisoned Tongue, and Duke Sliscus’ corsairs, managed to escape the shadows that suddenly enfolded the City of Sins, for they were both outside Commorragh at the moment of the revolt.

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Daemons of all stripes can make shadows come alive. This doesn't require much more than the ability to warp physical reality.

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chromedog wrote:It's not impossible for Eldar to be possessed. There are mentions of the chaos eldar and they make the DE look like boy scouts.
It's just unlikely to happen to them.

A craftworlder has all these wards and protections - not to mention the waystone they wear.

DE don't worship chaos (they are as deathly afraid of Slaanesh as their cousins) and their actions are more akin to throwing you at the bear whilst trying to outrun it. They don't permit psykers into Commoragh.

Other fluff has it that farseers will crystallise as they age, and at a certain point, they will go to the "dome of crystal seers" to stay the remainder of their days, in a crystalline statue part of the infinity circuit.

ALL the fluff in 40k is contradicted by all the other stuff. All and none is true or consistent. I see the scrbblings of the mad and deranged in 40k fluff. So far I haven't been disappointed.


Yeah I'm aware of all this, I was just taken aback by what appeared to me as two very daemonic influences in the heart of Comorroagh. Never heard of actual Chaos eldar though, that's new to me.

ALEXisAWESOME wrote:A) I personally believe its much more likely for Lady Malys to be possessed by the Laughing God Cegorarch. Why would a Daemon be in the webway? Even if it was, how would it not fade away or be noticed. While Cegorarch lives in the Webway, likes riddles and the whole laughing when no one is around has it for me. (It is possible for Eldar to be possessed, that's how Harlequins are made. An aspirant is possessed by a Hreater Daemon of Slaanesh and they have to either force it out of there body, get possessed and slain by fellow Harlequins or simply destroy the greater daemon, resulting in a Solitaire)

B. Please don't make me spell his name. I will call him the Mr K. Daemons? There are far worse things then Daemons my lad. The webway is inhabited by many strange and powerful beings, and its my opinion Mandrakes belong to one of those powers rather then a chaos god. What makes the shadows come to life? That's not any chaos god we know. But whatever IT is, that's what Mr K is working for. I have a very nice piece of Fanfiction called Warhammer age of dusk 60K which takes a look at both these characters, together, and answers all your questions. Its also a great read!



I wouldn't think Cegorach would be so....evil. Malys seems to revel in acts of cruelty and revenge. Cegorach isn't evil per se, he's a trickster. Less Lucifer more Loki. Also, there are areas of the webway that are partially collapsed, allowing the madness of the warp to spill in. If you read Thousand Sons, it also seems that a sufficiently powerful daemon can force its way inside, since Tzeentch himself tore a hole in the webway, providing Magnus with a route to get to Terra with his warning. Question is only how powerful need said daemon be? Is it only in the scope of power one of the gods, or can some supremely powerful greater daemons and daemon princes also do it? (I add the supremely bit since even Magnus lacked the strength to break his way inside)

Also, while there are things that might give daemons a run for their money on the baddie index, I still think daemons are some of the worst things out there, as they'll do terrible things to you while your still alive, then continue doing terrible things to your soul until it looses all cohesion and dissipates into the warp. But yeah, I forgot about all the sub-dimensions hidden in the webway, and how mandrakes had been changed by some unknown power. Seems more Lovecraftian then the Chaos gods (all hail Moorcock!).

Edit** Your fan fic seems like a good read, I'll definitely finish it up when I'm not at work

Psienesis wrote:Daemons of all stripes can make shadows come alive. This doesn't require much more than the ability to warp physical reality.


Yeah, I agree. If its terrifying and horrible I think it's well in the scope of what a daemon can do. They've done much stranger and scarier things after all.

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Saying Tzeentch is powerful enough to tear a hole in the webway is a little misleading. Assuming Tzeentch does anything by power alone, and not by floating a single hair through a webway portal thousands of years ago to blah blah blah, is dicey.



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deathmagiks wrote:
Saying Tzeentch is powerful enough to tear a hole in the webway is a little misleading. Assuming Tzeentch does anything by power alone, and not by floating a single hair through a webway portal thousands of years ago to blah blah blah, is dicey.


In A Thousand Sons its seemed quite clear that that's what happened. Magnus was trying to force his way in, but couldn't. Then he felt the surge of power as a vast warp entity (heavily implied it was Tzeentch) offered its help to Magnus. It tore open a breach in the Webway allowing Magnus entrance. Manus also noticed that the Webway seems to be collapsing behind him, allowing many 'warp predators' to follow in his wake.


Edit** this was bugging me so I went back an reread the passage in question. Tzeentch offered to power to tear open the webway to Magnus, who accepted without question. Magnus did the tearing using borrowed power. I'm gunna have to say we're both right on this one

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Why wouldn't Cegorarch be evil? He is the leader of the Harlequins, who are just as likely to flay you alive and use your skin as a costume as they are to help you. What ever Cegorarch's plans are, they are to help himself, and no other. The fan fiction even says that Cegorarch is a part of the C'tan the deceiver in a convoluted way if anyone cares .
Spoiler:
Eldar gods images of the Old ones. After they disappeared the eldar still worshipped them, creating Gods in the image of the Old ones but not just the Old ones. The deceiver helped both sides, so it makes sense for him to of wormed his way into the eldar pantheon as the trickster god.
But to me it makes more sense for it to be Cegorarch in his natural territory then it is to be a daemon in a hostile one (The webway itself actively tried to destroy invading daemons). But that's just my idea of it. Also, its not my fan fiction, its just one I immensely enjoyed, but it is VERY long, its like sticking all the fluff from all the codexes and cranking it up to 11.

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