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A bloodthirster comes with an Axe of Khorne as a Daemonic GIFT. Could I choose an Axe of Khorne as a Lesser REWARD, thereby benefitting from 2 specialist weapons (and circumventing the duplicate rule on page 66)?

Yes, perfectly acceptable

You could - but you're better off just taking an Aetherblade, which will give you a re-roll to-hit one attack when you don't need the decapitating blow special rule.

Pyrian wrote:
You could - but you're better off just taking an Aetherblade, which will give you a re-roll to-hit one attack when you don't need the decapitating blow special rule.

Not sure on the points costs, but - purely looking at the weapons in a vacuum - unless Aetherblade is a specialist weapon too, it's a little worse off. It's always better to get an extra Attack than an option to reroll a miss - because of the possibility of hitting with ALL Attacks.

 Super Ready wrote:

Pyrian wrote:
You could - but you're better off just taking an Aetherblade, which will give you a re-roll to-hit one attack when you don't need the decapitating blow special rule.

Not sure on the points costs, but - purely looking at the weapons in a vacuum - unless Aetherblade is a specialist weapon too, it's a little worse off. It's always better to get an extra Attack than an option to reroll a miss - because of the possibility of hitting with ALL Attacks.

They are both Specialist weapons. Furthermore, they both cost the same points if the model is a Daemon of Khorne.

Thanks, Happyjew - in which case it's a no-brainer, the Aetherblade will always be the better option...

You can't have two Axes - see the Daemonic Rewards page, which prohibits the duplication of rewards on a single model.

Either way, you're probably better off with the Axe/Etherblade combo, for when you don't need the Instant Death rule.

 Cheexsta wrote:
You can't have two Axes - see the Daemonic Rewards page, which prohibits the duplication of rewards on a single model.

See above. One is a gift, the other a reward.

 Scott_K wrote:

 Cheexsta wrote:
You can't have two Axes - see the Daemonic Rewards page, which prohibits the duplication of rewards on a single model.

See above. One is a gift, the other a reward.

No, he's right. You're specifically prohibited from taking a Reward that the model already has in its entry. Being a gift is irrelevant.

So, I amend my position above: It's a bad idea (the Aetherblade is strictly better) which you can't do.

Yes or No: Is a Daemonic Gift a Daemonic Reward?

Page 66 states "Each reward can be duplicated across the army, but can only be taken once per model (even if the reward is included in the model's army list entry);".

This will also have a big impact on the GK psycic power that cancels deamonic gifts (Dark excomunication)

Its very unclear what that power does.

The rule is clear enough: "Each reward can be duplicated across the army, but can only be taken once per model (even if the reward is included in the model's army list entry)". If that parenthetical doesn't mean you cannot have two Axes of Khorne, then it doesn't mean anything at all.

 Scott_K wrote:
Yes or No: Is a Daemonic Gift a Daemonic Reward?

The Axe of Khorne is. Not all are.

Q: Is the Axe of Khorne in the Bloodthirster's profile a GIFT, or a REWARD?
A: Gift.

Q: Does the entry regarding duplicate rewards on page 66 state duplicate gifts, or duplicate rewards?
A: Rewards.

Q: Are Daemonic Gifts also Daemonic Rewards?
A: ?

My codex lists the Axe of Khorne as a reward on page 66.

Not all rectangles are squares, but all squares are rectangles.

Not all Gifts are Rewards, but all Rewards are Gifts.

The Axe of Khorne that comes with the model is a rectangle (Gift not reward). The Axe that is rolled for is a square (both Gift and Reward).

 Scott_K wrote:
Q: Is the Axe of Khorne in the Bloodthirster's profile a GIFT, or a REWARD?
A: Gift.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
The Axe of Khorne that comes with the model is a rectangle (Gift not reward). The Axe that is rolled for is a square (both Gift and Reward).

The notion that the Axe of Khorne in the entry is not a reward is not rules. It is an assumption you are making. This assumption you are making renders actual rules nonsensical. Therefore it is a bad assumption and can be assumed (heh) to be false.

There are not two kinds of Axes of Khorne.

EDIT: On second reading, your argument isn't even relevant. You are taking a reward, which is a duplicate. It doesn't matter if the first one is a reward.

Pyrian wrote:

 Scott_K wrote:
Q: Is the Axe of Khorne in the Bloodthirster's profile a GIFT, or a REWARD?
A: Gift.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
The Axe of Khorne that comes with the model is a rectangle (Gift not reward). The Axe that is rolled for is a square (both Gift and Reward).

The notion that the Axe of Khorne in the entry is not a reward is not rules. It is an assumption you are making. This assumption you are making renders actual rules nonsensical. Therefore it is a bad assumption and can be assumed (heh) to be false.

There are not two kinds of Axes of Khorne.

EDIT: On second reading, your argument isn't even relevant. You are taking a reward, which is a duplicate. It doesn't matter if the first one is a reward.

The assumption that an Axe of Khorne in the bloodthirster's profile is a reward when it clearly states gift would make you wrong... again. And check your edit, you're way off base now. RAW, the axe in the bloodthirster's profile is a gift, and the axe in the lesser rewards is a reward. If the author's intent was otherwise, the word "gift" would be unnecessary when everything would be called "reward".

I find blade of blood, axe combo is pretty nice. It allows you to choose rampage or decapitating depending on your need.

4plus wrote:
I find blade of blood, axe combo is pretty nice. It allows you to choose rampage or decapitating depending on your need.

+1

Blade of blood/Axe of Khorne is an awesome combo, since your always outnumbered.

Use Blade of Blood for slaughtering troops, and Axe of Khorne in a challenge/against multiwound models.

4plus wrote:
I find blade of blood, axe combo is pretty nice. It allows you to choose rampage or decapitating depending on your need.

Sold! Sounds like a great combo. Thanks for the tip

Blade of Blood/Axe of Khorne/Eternal Blade. You take all three weapons. The BoB and EB only require you to be the bearer(see Dreadknight FAQ for bearer/weapon benefits) to get the benefits of the +d3 attacks(being outnumbered is another requirement for the BoB).

The only choice you have to make is "Do I swing with the Eternal Blade for +1 str or Axe of Khorne for instant death?" 6Attacks base + 1 for weapons + d3 BoB rampage + d3 EB. that's a murderous amount of attacks.

 Goat wrote:
Blade of Blood/Axe of Khorne/Eternal Blade. You take all three weapons. The BoB and EB only require you to be the bearer(see Dreadknight FAQ for bearer/weapon benefits) to get the benefits of the +d3 attacks(being outnumbered is another requirement for the BoB).

The only choice you have to make is "Do I swing with the Eternal Blade for +1 str or Axe of Khorne for instant death?" 6Attacks base + 1 for weapons + d3 BoB rampage + d3 EB. that's a murderous amount of attacks.

All of the eternal blade's bonuses specifically require that you actually attack with the weapon.

 Scott_K wrote:
A bloodthirster comes with an Axe of Khorne as a Daemonic GIFT. Could I choose an Axe of Khorne as a Lesser REWARD, thereby benefitting from 2 specialist weapons (and circumventing the duplicate rule on page 66)?

Going back to the OP, I would like to reverse my previous answer:

"Each reward can be duplicated across the army, but can only be taken once per model (even if the reward is included in the model's army list entry)."

The Axe is included in the 'thirster's army list entry. The Axe cannot be taken again.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

 Scott_K wrote:
A bloodthirster comes with an Axe of Khorne as a Daemonic GIFT. Could I choose an Axe of Khorne as a Lesser REWARD, thereby benefitting from 2 specialist weapons (and circumventing the duplicate rule on page 66)?

Going back to the OP, I would like to reverse my previous answer:

"Each reward can be duplicated across the army, but can only be taken once per model (even if the reward is included in the model's army list entry)."

The Axe is included in the 'thirster's army list entry. The Axe cannot be taken again.

To complicate things further, the Reference section in the back of the codex refers to ALL Daemonic Rewards as Daemonic Gifts (see the chart headers)