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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 23:20:37
Subject: Empire 3k List: Army of Solland
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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Hey dakka. I haven't play fantasy in a long time, and I need some help with making lists. This is everything that I have and how I plan to equip/run units. I would really appreciate any advice on an ideal 2k list and an ideal 3k list that I could make out of this. I would also love any constructive criticism on certain units or overall flow. I would prefer not to buy anything else for this army, but I would be willing to hear if there is anything I might pick-up that would be a huge benefit to this army. Thanks for reading!
Lord:
Karl Franz - 555
- Deathclaw, Runefang
General - 198
- Sword (no A.Saves), Heavy Armor (4+W.Save), Shield
Heroes:
Captain - 153
- Battle Standard (causes terror), Sword, Shield, Full Plate
Battle Mage -150
- Level 2, 2 dispel scrolls
Battle Mage - 150
- Level 2, 2 dispel scrolls
Master Engineer - 76
- Long Rifle, Light Armor
Core:
Spearmen (40) - 270
- Spears, Shields, Light Armor, Full Command
Swordsmen (58) - 436
- Swords, Shields, Light Armor, Full Command
Handgunners (19) - 191
- Markman w/ Long Rifle
Handgunners (19) - 191
- Markman w/ Long Rifle
Knights (14) - 328
- Lances, Shields, Full Plate, Barding, Full Command
Special:
Great Swords (20) - 295
- Great Weapons, Full Plate, Full Command, Standard (Armor Piercing)
Outriders (5) - 115
- Repeater Handgun, Light Armor, Musician
Great Cannon - 120
Great Cannon - 120
Rare:
Helblaster Volley Gun - 120
Steam Tank - 270
- Engineer Commander w/ Long Rifle
Total: 3758
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 15:09:04
Subject: Empire 3k List: Army of Solland
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Skillful Swordsman
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Karl Franz is 565 points I believe. Ghal Maraz ist generally better, while a Griffon paints a huge shoot me sign on him. I'd rather take the guy on horseback, a standard TGM with Runefang or a standard GotE on a Griffon (with Bloodroar). In friendlies without too many cannon, he can still provide a boost - at least 3k.
Your General is next to unarmoured and cannot possibly take that kit anyways - a Runefang leaves little room for a ward, let alone a 4++. AoMI would be sufficient for 2k, or full plate + enchanted shield + dawnstone.
Same goes for your BSB. Drop that overly expensive banner, get a 1+ AS. A horse is good, otherwise the AoSS.
Your Mages are completely illegal. No item can be bought twice in an army and every character can only take one from each category. An L4 is usually taken from 2k onwards - better selection of spells and another +2 to cast/dispel. A backup L1 is nifty at 3k.
ME - drop the paper armour. Drop the weapon he cannot use, you want him to help a gun), preferably the Helblaster (which frankly sucks without the ME).
Spearmen - drop the shields unless you need to fill points. In that case, play 2k. Drop all Handgunners, they're a waste of points most of the time.
Boost the number of Great Swords to at least 30, preferably more, or get two units of 20. Don't expect much from them 1:1, go for flank charges. Not really worth it unless you build the army around them and (know ho to) use stubborn detachments. 20 might be okayish at 2k but even then that's only a support unit.
New stuff to get at some point in time: Buff wagon (Empire doesn't work well without buffs), Captain on Pegasus (fast, mobile, great WM / chaff / etheral hunter), Demigriffs (good punch and resilience for those points), Warrior Priest (mounted or foot, more boosts). A couple of archer detachments wouldn't go amiss either. Game winners. You certainly have a pretty good basis and can start playing to learn the mechanics again, it's just a bit top-heavy and low on support stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 22:37:03
Subject: Empire 3k List: Army of Solland
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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Thank you for your advice!
Mike der Ritter wrote: Your Mages are completely illegal. No item can be bought twice in an army and every character can only take one from each category. An L4 is usually taken from 2k onwards - better selection of spells and another +2 to cast/dispel. A backup L1 is nifty at 3k.
My bad. The last time I played was 6th edition, and you were able to take multiple dispel scrolls. I will bump up at least one mage to Lv 4.
Spearmen - drop the shields unless you need to fill points. In that case, play 2k. Drop all Handgunners, they're a waste of points most of the time.
Why are the handgunners a waste of time? Just curious. I was trying to have more shooting than a few cannons.
Is it worth running the core (spears and swords) in 2 large groups of hoards? Or should I split them into smaller units? I know that hoards get good benefits, but I feel like I need more units on the field...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 23:55:02
Subject: Empire 3k List: Army of Solland
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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Hordes are tricky, they are really only useful if you can get somthing around the flank as well.
The curret meta is using alot of hordes, but without buffs and support charges, they are acctually a bad idea.
They expose you to more front charges which if your playing againgst ogres, lizardmen, or anything with multiple high strength melee is bad.
Not to mention being steadfast is such a good thing.
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