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I have a friend (reletively new player) currently playing 40k as Tau and he had a question about markerlights I couldn't answer because I don't play Tau.

Do Markerlights persist after the turn they are used or are they permanently on the unit that was marked?
Also, are Markerlights able to be removed in any other way other than being expended?

If I had access to his codex I'd just read it but sadly I do not. Either way, I was curious to know the answer.

Ahem I was unaware of not being able to substitute a dex see the chap belows post!

I'm unaware of any way a markerlight could be removed apart from being used.

Page 68, last line of the "target acquired"-section tells you when they disappear.
We are not allowed to substitute a codex.

Well, A) not being able to "substitute a codex" is a ridiculous rule. Considering the friend in question has learning difficulties and finds it difficult to interpret the rules, and, I don't have access to the codex, so I'm asking for an experienced player to teach me how it works, as I would if I was stood next to someone that owned a tau army and knew the rules.

B) That kind of forum ruling is encouraging people to go around downloading PDF's of the codex, not buying them. Something I'd rather avoid and just ask a fellow player how it works. I'd personally like to know how most armies work so I can help my friends play their armies or plan to play them. I don't want to have to travel to them and borrow their codex everytime they want a rule explaining or pointing out. It's not as though I'm going to go around buying every codex either is it?

Just glad I saw the original reply before it was edited. This kind of stuff is making me dislike the hobby more and more every week

(That's not me attacking you regarding this, I'm just getting increasingly frustrated with the way this hobby is wrapped up in GW's legal nonesense.)

I understand, but that's the way things work.
It would be different if you didn't understand a rule, but this is just "I don't have the codex, what does it do?"
It's not just a forum-rule, it's survival: It allows a forum to stay open instead of being closed.

As I understood it, your friend has the codex. That's why I gave the page-number and the exact line.
Maybe I won't be breaking any rule if I told you that they don't last into the Assault Phase

Kangodo wrote:
I understand, but that's the way things work.
It would be different if you didn't understand a rule, but this is just "I don't have the codex, what does it do?"
It's not just a forum-rule, it's survival: It allows a forum to stay open instead of being closed.

As I understood it, your friend has the codex. That's why I gave the page-number and the exact line.
Maybe I won't be breaking any rule if I told you that they don't last into the Assault Phase

As far as I'm concerned, provided you're not transcribing directly from the codex, you're not substituting it. Infact, you're just giving me your interpritation of a specific ruling that happens to be out there. Yeah he has the codex, I will get round to sitting him down and explaining a few things, but he's sat plotting an army to play against me and text me the question, so i figured I'd try and get him a quick answer, that way he can plan a strategy of some kind in advance.

I appreciate your input. And honestly, Sorry if I seemed to be venting in your direction!

If GW managed to somehow close down Dakka, They'd probably lose 1/4 of their fan base in one swift blow. But that's another topic for another time.

 ascended_mike wrote:
Well, A) not being able to "substitute a codex" is a ridiculous rule. Considering the friend in question has learning difficulties and finds it difficult to interpret the rules, and, I don't have access to the codex, so I'm asking for an experienced player to teach me how it works, as I would if I was stood next to someone that owned a tau army and knew the rules.

B) That kind of forum ruling is encouraging people to go around downloading PDF's of the codex, not buying them. Something I'd rather avoid and just ask a fellow player how it works. I'd personally like to know how most armies work so I can help my friends play their armies or plan to play them. I don't want to have to travel to them and borrow their codex everytime they want a rule explaining or pointing out. It's not as though I'm going to go around buying every codex either is it?

Just glad I saw the original reply before it was edited. This kind of stuff is making me dislike the hobby more and more every week

(That's not me attacking you regarding this, I'm just getting increasingly frustrated with the way this hobby is wrapped up in GW's legal nonesense.)

A) It's a good rule as you don't use the internet as a substitute for the ACTUAL RULES and as proof for people in your gaming group. You've signed up to the forums terms and conditions so put up or shut up.

B) If you break the copyright laws you get the trouble, if this website posts the codices it gets the trouble from GW.
Asking how it works is different from asking what the rule is. If someone says the answer is on page 4 of the book in the paragraph titled "The bloody answer" that is a good answer. It also gets you to read the book and know it better.

As to legal nonsense, GW have every right to protect their IP, it's how the world works and it's the reason we get such high quality models produced. Before anyone gives out about finecast etc, remember GW also accept any defective products back for a free replacement as they truely believe in customer service. Maybe someday Oxfam will get into the wargames business but until then you've got to make do with what we have. Warts and all.

 liturgies of blood wrote:

 ascended_mike wrote:
Well, A) not being able to "substitute a codex" is a ridiculous rule. Considering the friend in question has learning difficulties and finds it difficult to interpret the rules, and, I don't have access to the codex, so I'm asking for an experienced player to teach me how it works, as I would if I was stood next to someone that owned a tau army and knew the rules.

B) That kind of forum ruling is encouraging people to go around downloading PDF's of the codex, not buying them. Something I'd rather avoid and just ask a fellow player how it works. I'd personally like to know how most armies work so I can help my friends play their armies or plan to play them. I don't want to have to travel to them and borrow their codex everytime they want a rule explaining or pointing out. It's not as though I'm going to go around buying every codex either is it?

Just glad I saw the original reply before it was edited. This kind of stuff is making me dislike the hobby more and more every week

(That's not me attacking you regarding this, I'm just getting increasingly frustrated with the way this hobby is wrapped up in GW's legal nonesense.)

A) It's a good rule as you don't use the internet as a substitute for the ACTUAL RULES and as proof for people in your gaming group. You've signed up to the forums terms and conditions so put up or shut up.

B) If you break the copyright laws you get the trouble, if this website posts the codices it gets the trouble from GW.
Asking how it works is different from asking what the rule is. If someone says the answer is on page 4 of the book in the paragraph titled "The bloody answer" that is a good answer. It also gets you to read the book and know it better.

As to legal nonsense, GW have every right to protect their IP, it's how the world works and it's the reason we get such high quality models produced. Before anyone gives out about finecast etc, remember GW also accept any defective products back for a free replacement as they truely believe in customer service. Maybe someday Oxfam will get into the wargames business but until then you've got to make do with what we have. Warts and all.

Oh here we go, there's always one. I don't have the codex and have no intention of buying the codex. Yes, I agreed to the T&C's and agreed that I will follow them, but my point is that they have to put those particular terms in place in the first place. Nobody is going to GAIN or LOSE profits of any kind by explaining this ruling via a forum post.
The fact websites are scared into banning forum users for teaching people about rules for a game is beyond a joke, in any other topic about anything else, nobody would be kicking up a fuss. But when it's GW it's always the same.

I'm not for one minute suggesting; Please type out the codex ruling of markerlightings word for word.
I'm asking how long a marker light exists on the table as my friend (who has the codex, but struggles to understand it) doesn't know how long and I said I'd find out for him.

And where is it within the T&Cs? I mean, I'm looking for it but I honestly can't find it.
I can find THIS regarding intellectual property within the T&Cs.

You must not:
Upload files that contain software or other material protected by intellectual property laws (or by rights of privacy of publicity) unless you own or control the rights thereto or have received all necessary consents.

At the risk of being flamed, I don't care about GW's IP anymore because they don't care about their fanbase (of which I am a part of)
I'll buy minimal products from them directly and purchase only what I need to, because of the way they have alienated their fan base in recent times.

Now forcefully dragging this back on topic, and leaving this for any future reader, I appreciate the assistance regarding marker lights and now understand that they do not continue after the phase they are used in. That's all I needed to know.

So your friend has the codex, but you cant read the rule and explain it for them?

nosferatu1001 wrote:
So your friend has the codex, but you cant read the rule and explain it for them?

Read the whole thread before posting in future please. Thank you.

This is an issue you should take up with those that write the Copyright laws and GW's legal team.
Even if you convince everyone here that posting rules is ok, that won't stop this site potentially being shut down.
Yes it would be nice to just post them, but you're trying to convince the wrong crowd. We don't make the rules, just try and follow them.

 ascended_mike wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
So your friend has the codex, but you cant read the rule and explain it for them?

Read the whole thread before posting in future please. Thank you.

I did. I was responding to your statement:

"I'm asking how long a marker light exists on the table as my friend (who has the codex, but struggles to understand it) doesn't know how long and I said I'd find out for him. "

Meaning you could have asked THEM for the wording.

Youre wrong, according to the rules of this forum. Please refer to the rules and the tenets before posting in future.

 grendel083 wrote:
This is an issue you should take up with those that write the Copyright laws and GW's legal team.
Even if you convince everyone here that posting rules is ok, that won't stop this site potentially being shut down.
Yes it would be nice to just post them, but you're trying to convince the wrong crowd. We don't make the rules, just try and follow them.

Again, if you read the thread you'll see I clearly stated i wasn't arguing against it. I was giving my opinion that it is ridiculous.


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nosferatu1001 wrote:

 ascended_mike wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
So your friend has the codex, but you cant read the rule and explain it for them?

Read the whole thread before posting in future please. Thank you.

I did. I was responding to your statement:

"I'm asking how long a marker light exists on the table as my friend (who has the codex, but struggles to understand it) doesn't know how long and I said I'd find out for him. "

Meaning you could have asked THEM for the wording.

Youre wrong, according to the rules of this forum. Please refer to the rules and the tenets before posting in future.

So what you're saying is ask my dyslexic friend to type out the codex writing and send it to me via text. First, that'd be difficult for him, But thanks for the suggestion that I clearly hadn't thought of.. -_-
Oh but, wait... he'd be in copyright violation wouldn't he? Better not do that then.

Actually he would have an argument of fair use. Or he could take a picture of the rule to send to you. Did you think of that?

Suggest you drop the sarcasm from people trying to help you stay posting here.

Lol it doesn't matter if you don't care about GW's IP, they do.
Nos and grendel are right and if you want to play internet crusader to change how IP works join the pirate party, they have some lovely and completely wrong ideas about what IP is.
This is not the correct forum for it.