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Alright. Wasn't entirely sure where to put this since it is a mix of Modeling/Background/etc. Anyway; I'm amassing MKIII Iron Armor guys from Forge World in order to match a theme I have between two armies; the first being my custom Nurgle Marines, Disciples of Blight, and a Space Marine 'Legion' (Whatever they were called back then) that has yet to be named. The Disciples of Blight are made using MKII Crusade Armor bits; legs, backpacks, arms while the torso is a Death Guard bit. I will be doing heavy conversion to make a custom army for myself as far as that goes, likely some conversion for that MKIII Space Marine army as well.

Now, I'm not all that too familiar with the 'early days' of the Crusade and the Horus Heresy. I've been doing some research and all, but thought it'd be easier to just put this here and see what ya'll think. I think first I will put what the idea is behind this before I get into it:


A Space Marine Legion (Yet to name it) found themselves converting to Chaos, which eventually their number that were doing so dubbed themselves the Disciples of Blight. Those still loyal pursued their number that were converted into the Warp, where the span of time meant nothing. Eventually, they would exit, unscathed but jumped thousands of years to the 41st millienium along with their tainted brethren. Here today they still pursue them.


Meh. The Warp is the easiest explanation, unless someone else has a better suggestion. I just don't know how to make a Space Marine Legion from that long ago exist in the 41st millienium. That little bit of 'history' being said, here is what I'm wondering about.

Really, I'm wanting the bits to match up with their time periods; like MKII with correct style Bolters from Forge World, etc. Phobos fits perfectly with the Disciples of Blight given they're MKII armor, so no problem there. My MKIII Iron Armor guys I've yet to figure which Bolter to use from Forge World, as I don't want them using one that is past their 'time'; I know I can use newer ones to represent they replenished with the current style once entering into the 41st, but aesthetically, it'd look better with Bolters from their own era.

Essentially, I just want a whole piece that matches bit for bit, or as close as possible for the MKIII guys. As far as the Nurgle Chaos Marines go, I've already got their stuff down. I feel it'd be best to convert for the MKIII if I want 'special weapons' as far as, say, to represent Sternguard or what have you. This probably is a lot to ask for when it really is only the Bolter I need to choose from Forge World to fit my MKIII guys, but I thought I'd see what ya'll thought anyway.

Thanks for looking!

I may be wrong - but I think the MkIII armour wasn't all that common around the Crusades, as the "new toy" as it were. If that's the case you'd want to restrict the MkIII models to veterans and officers, etc - and it would be perfectly feasible for them to still have the MkII bolters as a result.

Heya; after doing extensive research, I found that the MKIII in fact was apart of the Crusade. They were apparently designed for Space Boarding actions, as well as combating Squats; the below link talks about it. From what it says," Forged when the Crusade met the core of the Galaxy," it would sound as if the MKIII was in the midst of the Great Crusade, so it should warrant feasibility, I would think.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Power_Armour

I've also chosen to use the Umbra Pattern Bolters, since they were produced early in the Crusade Era, and Umbra Ferrox Bolters to represent Sternguard, etc, because of the extended ammunition box.

I COULD use the Tigrus Bolters, produced just before the Heresy began, but they look too Modern for MKIII armor, especially MKII.

Same site that explains that here:

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Bolter

I'm just wanting to make sure it all fits given the era they were supposed to be in before the 'time jump' because of the Warp. I'd think some Space Marines would use Umbras or MKIII during the Heresy, especially the Chaos Marines given their seclusion from the source of their upgrades in MKs, etc. Not to mention it is said ancient Bolters/Armor are used in even some modern Space Marine Chapters.

The Chaos version I mentioned, Disciples of Blight, I am using MKII armor for, as well as the Phobos as that matches right alongside that. However, that would seem a bit contradictory seeing as how no Traitors showed up UNTIL the Heresy, so if these came from the same Chapter, they should all have MKIII Iron Armor; or, I suppose, I could just as easily assume they kept/acquired MKII armor and kept it.

All looks good as far I can see. I found some links myself, and it turns out I was thinking of the jump from MkIII to MkIV... so widespread MkIII should be fine.

You'll find some more info below. We usually suggest Lexicanum rather than the wikia as the latter has been known to be outdated and flat out incorrect at times - while that can be true of any wiki, Lexicanum seems to have a much stricter handle on things. In this case, what's on wikia seems correct, but there's still extra:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Power_armour#.UhFQclHuNpE
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bolter#.UhFQjlHuNpE

Yeah, I questioned the Wiki as the word itself suggested a compilation from the community; and as you said, could entail inaccuracy or plain ignorance of the subject.

Thanks for the links! I do believe I've compiled everything I need to know to reassure the legitimacy of my 'ye olde' Space Marine Chapter.

Thanks again for your input!

One thing to bear in mind is that a 'Legion' specifically refers to one of the original twenty First Founding forces. Apart from the two unknowns you wouldn't have one of them disappearing completely. However the legions were often split into multiple task forces with different fleets so having one of these smaller-sized groups disappear only to emerge thousands of years later is entirely possible. You'll probably still need to decide which Legion they are/were though.

I wasn't too sure what to decide on that front; whether to go the easy route and say they were one of the two unknown or not. I didn't feel right doing that. Unless it could be a hybrid of the two, a smaller task force that was comprised of enough to make a Chapter making it through thousands of years later. Not sure of what Chapter/original Legion they would become the successor of in that regard, although I suppose the brief, conclusive little 'write-up' I've done of them may lend some ideas to what likeness they may represent of the First Founding Legions.


Saints of Requiem are renowned to mourn the loss of Battle Brothers, steeped in religious piety, they often amass after a battle to assemble those number of them that have fallen in battle and join in on a solemn chant on their homeworld known as the Liturgy of the Fallen; Requiem of the Dead.

A number of their kind have turned to Chaos, known as the Disciples of Blight, a small Warband of Traitor Space Marines who worship Nurgle in a rather religious method as such their origins have always done. They stand against everything their former Brethren believe in; relishing in death, these Plague Marines cackle, chortle and express jovial admittance to the death of others, praising the fell hand of Nurgle and the release the formerly foolish mortals had steeped themselves in.

Having followed them into the Warp during the early days of the Heresy, the Saints of Requiem and Disciples of Blight have jumped thousands of years into the future, into the 41st Millienium, where, to this day, their personal vendetta against each other continues.


The only current Chapters/Former Legions I know of that MAY represent this religious tendency is maybe Dark Angels; even then, I doubt I'm right. I think that is just their aesthetic appeal to an extent. Like mentioned in my original post, I really don't know the Space Marine fluff that well.

I'd like to just make them 'separate' from any known Chapter, and I think the easiest way is to assume they were perhaps one of the two unknown Legions; especially since Legions at least number in the high two-digit thousands, it would be no sweat assuming they have enough left to make up that of a Chapter. Not to mention that Red Scorpions of the Forge World line have any recording of their origin, I'd think mine would be just as legit.

Thoughts? Thanks in advance!